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Nigger - Nigga

 

We took the word and made it our own is what a lot of people say. People of other colors are frowned upon for saying it. Only black folks can use the word Nigga. To me it's like saying that only blacks can call each other ignorant. So what am I saying? I'm saying I don't want ANYONE calling me ignorant. I have a name, address me by it. I just think there is a ton of ignorance in changing some letters and believing that this gives power or makes things okay.

 

I used the word nigga a lot until I heard Richard Pryor talk about why he wouldn't use the word anymore. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

( Http://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/black-is-beautiful/ ) I understand what some people say about the word nigga, using it is takes the power out of nigger. Some say it is slang for saying hello to a black person. I can only speak for me and say that I don't want to use it. 

 

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Comment was by Julien on June 13, 2011 at 5:28pm

I have a different question for Americans. How do you feel about having slave owners on your money? Why not try to change that, because it reminds everyone, even kids Jean Marie, about slaves and how black people were treated? Again, people will try and remove a word, but not something like this. Oh, no...

 

 

George Washington ($1, quarter), Thomas Jefferson ($2, nickle), Abraham Lincoln ($5, penny), Alexander Hamilton ($10), Andrew Jackson ($20), Ulysses Grant ($50), and Benjamin Franklin ($100). Of these seven founding fathers, at least five . Abraham Lincoln, famously, did not. And it's unclear whether or not Alexander Hamilton ever owned slaves himself. Benjamin Franklin, despite his famous conversion to abolitionist ideals, owned two slaves in the first part of his life, and Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson owned slaves while in office. Even discounting Hamilton, that means over 70% of the faces on U.S. currency are the faces of slave owners. (Excerpt from this article)

Comment was by Jean Marie on June 13, 2011 at 2:01pm

I also want to add in one more thought, on another reason to avoid the Nword.

Attitudes are contagious.

Most of us are around children, even if only here or there......and their malleable lil minds, that can absorb a negative attitude, and carry it on in their own mind, and then, like Mark, as adults, they have to work to UNDO the damage done.

 

no doubt, that idea will cause a flurry of angry protests that freedoms are being lost, or that not all use of the Nword is "harmful" etc etc, but, imo, it is.  I agree with Edmund, it's time to bury the word.

Comment was by Jean Marie on June 13, 2011 at 1:57pm

and yes, Mark, i'll agree, going around calling people, ANY people, ANY type of offensive names can bring on trouble.  Most of us do learn that on the schoolyard playground.  I'd think that is a wise move to grow up and not call ppl bad names, i agree with your choice.  YOu are still free to do so, though.  No freedoms have been taken away from you, but, like Julien said, you may end up paying consequences for calling a person (ANY person) offensive words.

This is probably true of any person being called offensive vulgar names, the person *might* react negatively to being called horrible names.  Some are able to choose the highroad, and walk away, dismissing the name caller as not worth the bother.

 

to me, that idea we all learn as kids, (that calling ppl names can bring on negative results)

is not quite the same thing,

as freely deciding calling ppl names is not rational way to interact or behave, and wishing to express the respect one feels should be a starting point in interactions or discussions.  *If* i do have any fear based reason in avoiding calling people names,(?) my fear would be avoiding offending the other person, or expressing ignorance.

 

Comment was by Jean Marie on June 13, 2011 at 1:01pm

I found your remark below, both inspirational, that you are working through ideas you no longer want or find rational, and also slightly unnecessarily harsh in it's wording.   Posting the nword, under a blog in which the member states he doesn't care to see the nword in use anymore, seemed creepy to me

Yes, yes, you are free to use the nword, and i am free to recoil at the unnecessary use of the word, when it could have been worded differently to express your same point, imo.    And again, kudos to you, Mark, for working on getting over a f/up background, hats off to you for that.  NOt always easy to do, so hats off to ya.  I'm over here cheering you on in that direction!!

 

Also, at the risk of being pedantic, worth pointing out, there is difference between prejudiced,

and racist. 

One means to pre-judge.  We all do pre-judge others to some extent, whether positively, or negatively, or accurately or inaccurately.   Pre-judging others can be done with zero race involved.

I can observe an chubby or very young person, and assume they are this or that way, and i *might* be right,  or i might be wrong.  I "pre-judged" that chubby person, based on their appearance. 

 

The other, racism, means this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

 

but most ppl DO swap out the word "prejudiced" for "racist", and maybe that means the same thing to them, but, it doesn't to me, although, admittedly, there IS some overlap of meanings.

While all people DO pre-judge other humans, on all types of factors, we can still remaiin open to meet the person and be ready to discard our first guesstimations, still, for most humans, we do tend to estimate some things about a person, based on their age, signs of wealth or poverty, etc etc, even if we are doing in unconsciously.

Sometimes we can learn of our inner stereotypes or prejudices, when we get startled.  I found one in myself, when in a discussion about a homeless person, and realized, i was slightly startled inside, to discover he was extremely intelligent and well educated, and i became aware, that somewhere inside of me, i'd somehow come to think of homeless people as not well educated.

 

But, no, we are NOT all racists.

 

Comment was by Mark Strange on June 12, 2011 at 9:37pm

"...nor do i sense that(fear of punishment) is the reason motivating others i know who choose to respect others."

What I was trying to explain in my last post, is that I am a walking example of why that is not always right. I did not use racial slurs out of respect at one point in my life, I did it because I was afraid of what these so called "niggers" would do. Yeah, like i said, my background was pretty fucked up. Just because someone doesn't use racial slurs in public, doesn't mean they are not prejudices in privet.

 

I'm starting to believe your term for "Political Correctness" Is different then mine. To me I see it as something different then respect.

Comment was by Jean Marie on June 12, 2011 at 2:47pm

//"I didn't want to ignorant any longer, we need to make people understand why it's a bad Idea, and not because it's socially unacceptable."//

 

I AGREE!!!

 

//"Political correctness, in my opinion, is similar to religion." Exactly!  Religions rely on threat to make you follow rules: "Do it or else!" which is the wrong way to go about doing it, if you can avoid it."//

 

I disagree.  I feel political correctness is only starting with a basic respect towards others.  I do not feel 'forced', but I FREELY CHOOSE to start with a basic respect towards others.   IT IS MORALLY UNACCEPTABLE TO ME, personally.  (to use racial slurs).

 

 I feel racism IS a from of ignorance.  I feel starting discussions with others, with a basic respect as a starting point, is rational.   It is not "fear of punishment" that leads me to rationally choose to respect others, nor do i sense that(fear of punishment) is the reason motivating others i know who choose to respect others.

 

 

//"We are all free, to speak as we chooose to"//   <----still true, even if one chooses using basic respect in their speech. ("politcally correct").   This freedom umbrella covers we who are politically correct also, not just those who want to keep the Nword in use, see?

 

//"I didn't want to ignorant any longer, we need to make people understand why it's a bad Idea, and not because it's socially unacceptable."//

I AGREE

but, some ppl can not be brought to understand another person's idea on why some ideas are ignorant.

I think doone's point below, might be a key to understanding why some of us can not understand the power of some words to some cultures.

Comment was by Mark Strange on June 11, 2011 at 8:12pm

"Political correctness, in my opinion, is similar to religion." Exactly!

Religions rely on threat to make you follow rules: "Do it or else!" which is the wrong way to go about doing it, if you can avoid it.

I realize that we humans still have a lot of evolving still left to do, but it is always better when someone comes to believe something is wrong based on why it is, rather then the fear of punishment or the promise of reward
at that matter.  I understand that sometimes one can lead to the other.

I don't know your religious background but mine wasn't pretty f-ed up.

I know that I have some prejudices still left somewhere in me, I will admit it, I am still only human. I was raised so backwards and the only exposure to other cultures I had growing up, was through word of bias mouth or the gang members next door, which seemed to confirm the bigotry in my growing mind. 

It wasn't until I started seeing the falseness of my religion, seeing the hypocrisy of there words verses actions, that I started questioning everything I ever learned, and now I am a better person then I was. More confidant in who I am, more understanding of others, more tolerable about others view points. I have certain hangups that I'm still trying to kill with in me, because I have come to believe that it is a sickness - not because someone told me that it was, but because I found it to be illogical and ignorant. 

I didn't want to ignorant any longer, we need to make people understand why it's a bad Idea, and not because it's socially unacceptable.  

Comment was by Jean Marie on June 11, 2011 at 12:09pm

lols, i am most obviously using your opinion back AT you!! hee hee! 

 

*you* are free to use the Nword, ( i know, i know, you said you don't but worry about freedoms being lost or something) but, you are STILL free to use the Nword, Julien, even if most others are choosing to bury it, you still have all your freedoms.

but i rationally choose not to.  There is no force, no cencorship involved.  We are all free. 

Comment was by Julien on June 11, 2011 at 11:50am

We are all free, to speak as we chooose to.

 

This is my opinion, Jean Marie, which I think you have missed. I don't think that the word should not be avoided, but that it should be up to everyone to decide for themselves if and when to use the word.

 

Comment was by Jean Marie on June 11, 2011 at 11:43am

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