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According to biblical morality and authority the following are fine and natural:
Slavery (Exodus 21:7); 1 Peter 1:18; Ephesians 6: 5-9.
Rape (Deuteronomy 22: 28-29);
Child Abuse (Proverbs 22:15);
Misogyny (1 Timothy 2:12);
Incest (Genesis 19: 32-35);
Prejudice (2 John 1:10).

According to biblical morality and authority the following are evil, wrong, and unnatural:
Eating Pork (Leviticus 11:7);
Eating shellfish (Leviticus 11:9-12);
Homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22);
Wearing Clothes of Mixed Fabrics (Leviticus 19:19);
Shaving (Leviticus 19:27).

This is just another matter about what Genesis creationists—Jews, Christians and Muslims—choose to ignore, to say nothing of details like each human having some 30 trillion bacteria and every animal having roughly proportionate numbers:

“Consider the challenge of creating the first chicken (on the fifth day); an egg would be no good on its own. Would you start at the beak and sweep backwards? You would have to be quick, or fluids would leak out. No, it would have to be completely formed in an instant, with all the organs and blood supply and nerves (including behaviour and memory). The space it suddenly occupies would have to be cleared of air at exactly the same moment to prevent a deafening shock wave. The difficulties don't stop there. All the delicate inter-relationships between species would have to be immaculately planned, and there would have to be fully-grown trees (the third day), ready-rotted wood and dead animals for scavengers; nests, burrows and much else. And this for the whole world, down to the last ant and pine-needle, rotifer and bacillus.” David Ridge (read on Atheistweb 7 June 2009)

“Are bats mammals or birds?
If you said mammal, better guess again!
According to god, they are birds ...” Deuteronomy 14:11-18

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Comment was by Terence Meaden on February 3, 2021 at 1:06pm

Oh dear, how is it that so many people stubbornly accept as reality something for which there is no evidence, their beliefs based only on others’ say-so? For matters of religion are nothing but mythological storytelling and, worse still, dangerous superstition. How can you accept someone's say-so about a vision and some tapestry from the sky in olden times?

In truth, gods and your god exist nowhere except in human brains. Myths imperil the world. Although billions of people may believe such myths, they are myths nonetheless. By contrast, people who trouble to study science deeply enough have never found anything in nature that cannot be explained by the natural sciences. In ages past, the god hypothesis was invoked to overcome people’s fears and limits to knowledge. The supernatural was viewed as a legitimate area for inquiry and exaltation by philosophers of the time. Bards and fabulists had their way. Explanations were conjured up by whim, and ‘authenticated’ by declaration and the support of priests who gained the confidence of kings; for it was to the kings’ advantage that confabulation furnished answers that would satisfy, weaken and control a gullible, uncomprehending public. 

As a long-coveted idea, the god concept appears from beyond science, and depends for belief and supernatural anecdote on human creativity, misguided ingenuity, fancy, and deluded inspiration. As Susan Blackmore said, “people’s desire to believe in the paranormal is stronger than all the evidence that it does not exist”. Indeed, religious beliefs suit best those people who, with little conscious input, seek order in their lives—whether socially or solitarily—at the same time furnishing answers as how to obtain a happy afterlife. Bertrand Russell declared “Belief systems provide a programme which relieves the necessity of thought.”

Ludwig Feuerbach understood how “man created god in his own image”, seeing that all gods are created inside human heads—which is why they are all different, in being invented by different peoples in different ages in different continents each to their fancy. Every believer thinks that all gods are false except for their own--which is a paradox that is self-refuting. 

To dissuade people like you to surrender irrational beliefs is demanding and often fruitless, because rational arguments do not work with religious people—otherwise there would be no religious people. You are trying to defend a lost cause. 

Comment was by Terry Johnson on February 2, 2021 at 2:24pm

I just joined Atheist Universe and indicated in my profile that I wanted to talk to non-Christians. Mr. Brodie welcomed me but reminded me that most of the people on this site did not want to be preached at. Preaching at someone is not my purpose, and I would only preach to them if invited. That said, I am not a preacher nor do I have any intention of becoming one, but I will share some ideas about some of the things said on this website. I take the free-thinker idea seriously. Certainly, my goal is neither to impugn anyone's integrity nor to insult them. So, here goes.


You mentioned several holy book blunders. Anyone who has ever read the Bible seriously has encountered statements that seemed not to make any sense, especially sometimes in a scientific sense. Let's look first at a couple of the items from Leviticus that you mentioned: eating pork and shellfish. A lot has been written about these from a religious and from a scientific dietary viewpoint, and a lot of rationalization has been done as to why these and similar things were mentioned. The truth is, no one knows for sure except that God declared them unclean. However, when the message of man's reconciliation to God was extended to include the gentile nations as well as the Jews, a curious thing happened. The Apostle Peter had a vision in which he saw a tapestry come from the sky carrying all sorts of unclean things. He was commanded to eat and he initially refused, saying that as a good Jew he had never eaten anything that was unclean. He was then told not to consider anything unclean that God had pronounced clean, and from there he was sent to preach to Cornelius, a Roman centurion (whom Jews previously considered unclean), and Cornelius was converted to Christianity, thus demonstrating that God did not consider his gospel of reconciliation to be too good for the gentiles. This story is recorded in Acts 10.


Another example from your first list, Deuteronomy 22:28–29. This passage is talking about protection of the young woman. The man must take responsibility for his actions and marry her. Otherwise, she was defiled and no man would have her. Her life was ruined. In order to afford some protection for her, he was commanded to marry her, pay some damages to her father, and remained married to her--all for her protection. Rape was not condoned. A reading of other passages will quickly bear this out.


I say all of this to point out that the context in which they are contained is important in looking at biblical passages.



Comment was by Grinning Cat on January 24, 2021 at 9:41pm

And pi is 3, and animals can be bred with striped or spotted coats by showing the parents the desired pattern.

And the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect God is sometimes unaware of things, and frequently changes his mind. (I wouldn't be surprised if the Bible is actually very undecided and contradictory about all the omni- stuff traditional Abrahamic adherents attribute to their deity.)

(And Stephen, it's OK to be straight! :-) It's also OK to hate shellfish. Or to grow a full beard.)

Comment was by Stephen Brodie on January 24, 2021 at 8:28pm

“Are bats mammals or birds?
If you said mammal, better guess again!
According to god, they are birds ...” Deuteronomy 14:11-18

Wow-what a massive cock-up by Jehovah how will his followers explain that.

Comment was by Stephen Brodie on January 24, 2021 at 8:20pm

Sadly for me I partake in at least four of the five no's from Leviticus. I won't tell you which. None of your business. Lol 

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