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Are Atheists 'Obsessed' With Religion?

For all practical purposes, I am an Atheist. I lack belief in a God (or gods).

It is that, and only that, with which I can confidently say that I share with other Atheists. We're a diverse group.

While there certainly are trends, we're all individuals - our only shared 'rule' being to think for ourselves. In light of that, our specific attitudes towards religion itself are all placed on a spectrum: from outright anti-theistic to 'whatever floats their boat'-ness.

I, personally, am more inclined towards Dawkins' or Hitchens' take on it than not. In places, I see religion and superstition causing direct and measurable harm, and I feel that keeping this to myself is unfair - ultimately - to the victims.

But, as Dawkins and Hitchens don't either (but are misunderstood and misrepresented as doing so), I, when criticising religion, am not criticising religious people just for thinking in a certain way. I may severely dislike particular individuals, but I do not see 'moderate' religious people as anything other than a little deluded. In other words: I disagree with the thoughts, but I do not think, necesarily, that the people are stupid or immoral for - as is likely - simply having been born into and brought up within a certain world-view. Plus, many leave their parent's beliefs behind. Are they absolute idiots up to that point?

My specific use of the term 'deluded' should not be taken to be insulting either. It sounds it, I'll give you that; but there's simply no other way to express what I feel is an ignorance, whether wilful or not. I also detest the view that, say, those in the Middle-East 'don't know any better', or that us in 'The West' should avoid criticising certain practices in the name of cultural relativism. It's both patronising and untrue - again for the sake of victims and individuals.

Anyway, before I outline every one of my opinions, it's worth getting to the point of this post: is talking about these things, in public, an 'obsession' of Atheists?

I don't think so.

There are a few things at play here. The first obvious one is that the view that it is is a misunderstanding. True, some Atheists talk about religion a lot. But, in day-to-day life, with friends, I only mention it if relevant... What, then, makes it relevant?

I think it being in the news is a definite example. This shouldn't happen:

Person A: "Hey, did you watch the parliamentary debate on same-sex marriage?"
Person B: "Yeah, what did you think about it?"
Person A: "Isn't it funny that every single person arguing against allowing it did so for religious reasons?"
Person B: "YOU'RE SO OBSESSED WITH RELIGION!"

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Comment by Michel on April 16, 2013 at 9:43am

@Onyango: "So how do they know god's plan."

Yep, this is the real question.
How the fuck do they know that?!?

Comment by Onyango Makagutu on April 16, 2013 at 12:41am

Every time I see this free will excuse for existence of evil, I feel I like bashing someone's head till they begin to reason with it. Giving god a free pass for his mistakes and blaming humans for everything else. I wonder if religious people really think through their statements.

So how do they know god's plan. I thought they used to say we were god's special creation. when did this theology change?

Comment by Doone on April 15, 2013 at 9:36pm

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Converting To Atheism, Ctd

APR 15 2013 @ 8:32PM

 

A minister criticizes Susan Jacoby for cherry-picking religious arguments:

Why is there polio? Why are there diseases?” If there is a good God why are there these things? The answer of the religious person is “God has a plan we don’t understand.”

That is not the religious answer.  That is a religious answer.  It happens to be a bad answer.  It is bad theology.  Atheism is a rational rejection of bad theology – and more power to them.  But there is also good theology out there – good religious answers which do justice both to our reason and to our spirits.

Why does God allow polio and disease and other bad things to happen to good people?  Because God is not an omnipotent manipulator of the world.  Because God works through the system, not over-powering it.  Because we have free will that allows us to create justice and love, and also evil.  God’s power is not coercive (“you must not do that horrible thing and I will stay your hand”) but patiently persuasive (“there’s a better way, make a better choice”).  God’s “plan” was not to create polio, or human beings, but to set the conditions and watch what we do, and to use that “still, small voice” to gently urge all creation toward divine ideals of deep rich experience, consciousness, love, marvelous beauty, and thoughtful theology.

As any teenage theologian can see, the idea of a simultaneously all-powerful and all-loving God is impossible based on the evidence of the tragedies that befall us everyday.  But there is better theology available.  The churches should be better teachers.  And atheists shouldn’t give up so soon.

Another reader views her youthful conversion to atheism as simply a step in her lifelong spiritual development:

Comment by Carnun on April 14, 2013 at 8:33am

Marianne: I suppose. But, in a case like homosexuality, there's simply no argument against it which isn't a religious one. I don't think it's obsessive to point that out.

Michel: Ha :) (I was thinking that as I wrote it, but left it out.)

Comment by Michel on April 13, 2013 at 7:59am

Yes, like doctors are 'obsessed' with sickness?

Comment by Marianne on April 12, 2013 at 11:50pm

In this particular case, homosexuality, one can maybe,just maybe understand why a religious nut can say this (person A). But many conversations end up with people arguing about religion whilst they may agree on many other matters which they can talk about; no  need to bring religion into it,  well that's my pointof view... (as an atheist)

Comment by Carnun on April 12, 2013 at 4:44pm

I can see why :P

Needless to say, that conversation was exaggerated. I did have a similar one, but it was by no means so succinct. I had better reason for voicing my observation at the time...

Comment by Marianne on April 12, 2013 at 4:38pm

I agree partlywith person B's opinion

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