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I think the question of the existence of god or the concept of god should not be treated under the sciences, sciences taken broadly, but should be left in the purview of metaphysicians and at the very best theologians. The only reason I see why anything god should occupy the domain of science is when theologians claim that god does act or cause somethings to act in a certain way in the universe which I still think is granting them too much.

Time, I think, has come to honestly tell theologians that the word god was used as answer when man was deeply ignorant of causes that affected him, that each man fashioned his god in proportion to his imagination. The savage fashioned his god after things he could see such as serpents, stones, sun and so on. The sophisticated theologian fashioned his god around imagination. He made his god a giant after human qualities or a negation of this qualities. He, in every stop, made his god non existent through the qualities he gave him, in fact, it can be said without fear of contradiction, that the theologian is the true atheist. He annihilates his god whenever he begins to talk about it.

I contend that if we really are honest with ourselves and the theologians, no gods exist. In fact, looking at the Dawkins' spectrum for theistic probability, it is not arrogant to claim a 7.

Against all gods

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Comment by Doone on July 26, 2013 at 2:32pm

Against all Nogs

Comment by Marianne on July 21, 2013 at 9:52pm

I truly hate the word god and couln't even associate it with freedom...

Comment by Doone on July 21, 2013 at 5:53pm

“Freedom Is My God Now”

JUL 21 2013 @ 1:26PM

The Daily Show recently interviewed Matt Slick, seen above, founder of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. His daughter Rachel, now an atheist, describes what it was like to be raised by such a man, offering a disturbing glimpse into the fundamentalist psyche:

Conversation with him was a daily challenge. He would frequently make blatantly false statements — such as “purple dogs exist” — and force me to disprove him through debate. He would respond to things I said demanding technical accuracy, so that I had to narrow my definitions and my terms to give him the correct response. It was mind-twisting, but it encouraged extreme clarity of thought, critical thinking, and concise use of language. I remember all this beginning around the age of five.

I have two sisters, three and seven years younger than myself, and we were all homeschooled in a highly strict, regulated environment. Our A Beka schoolbookstaught the danger of evolution. Our friends were “good influences” on us, fellow homeschoolers whose mothers thought much alike. Obedience was paramount — if we did not respond immediately to being called, we were spanked ten to fifteen times with a strip of leather cut from the stuff they used to make shoe soles. Bad attitudes, lying, or slow obedience usually warranted the same — the slogan was “All the way, right away, and with a happy spirit.” We were extremely well-behaved children, and my dad would sometimes show us off to people he met in public by issuing commands that we automatically rushed to obey. The training was not just external; God commanded that our feelings and thoughts be pure, and this resulted in high self-discipline.

She goes on to chart her fall from faith, and closes with these striking thoughts:

Someone once asked me if I would trade in my childhood for another, if I had the chance, and my answer was no, not for anything.
 My reason is that, without that childhood, I wouldn’t understand what freedom truly is — freedom from a life centered around obedience and submission, freedom to think anything, freedom from guilt and shame, freedom from the perpetual heavy obligation to keep every thought pure. Nothing I’ve ever encountered in my life has been so breathtakingly beautiful.

Freedom is my God now, and I love this one a thousand times more than I ever loved the last one.

Comment by Michel on July 21, 2013 at 1:43pm

Yes. It's the difficulty of understanding our own nature that creates the gap filled with the god of 'spiritual meaning'.

Comment by Onyango Makagutu on July 21, 2013 at 1:35pm

I agree Michel, that there is still some use still applied to the idea but you see it still comes down to ignorance or a failure to understand nature.

Comment by Michel on July 21, 2013 at 8:58am

The god used to explain stuff has certainly been shrinking as of late. The one used in lieu of 'meaning' for this mortal coil of ours however is still going on strong. But not necessarily thanks to the theologian's obstinate work. The apparent meaninglessness of it all and the ease of adopting a ready-made (if magical) significance weigh heavily on religiosity. That and the promise of cheating death, of course.

We're not through with that, I'm afraid.

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