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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I have been an atheist, and likely much longer.  There is a fascination in me of those who are sufficiently skilled in language that they structure words into concepts and ideas and proposed actions which grab my attention and interest, whether it is John F. Kennedy's unabashed statement: "We choose to go to the moon and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard," Robert A. Heinlein's blunt expression: "If you've got the truth, you can demonstrate it.  Talking doesn't prove it. SHOW people," or Captain Kirk's subtle yet important tactical observation, having encountered and been challenged by the dauntingly huge First Federation vessel: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... Poker!"

Certainly, atheism has had its share of skilled spokespeople, whose words have inspired and driven us, whether it was Madalyn Murray O'Hair, saying: "An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church," or Sam Harris, who noted that: "The only problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam," or Aron Ra's far more succinct: "If you can't SHOW it, you don't KNOW it."

Consciously or unconsciously, I suspect all of us have learned and grown from such words and many others, becoming stronger and more mature, not just in our atheism but in ourselves, having heard such words as these, and that is the point of this group: not to just deal in quotes which praise and promote atheism but which advance the cause of knowledge, self-understanding and self-ownership.  Each of us have likely heard someone say something and think, "Wow!" and resonated to the significance of what they heard.

That's what I want to do here: share, learn, and grow, not just from THEIR words, but our own.

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Comment was by Loren Miller on November 20, 2022 at 8:03am

The position of the Muslim community in the face of all provocations seems to be: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we will kill you.
-- Sam Harris

This thankfully is not the case in the United States, for the large part, but I suspect that in the Middle East and in most if not all Arabian countries, it is an entirely different matter, even to this day. It is also one reason why I will NEVER visit such a country ... EVER.

Comment was by Loren Miller on November 19, 2022 at 12:57pm

To act morally is not to act out of fear of punishment; it is not to act as one is commanded to act. Rather, it is to act as one ought to act. And how one ought to act is not dependent upon anyone's power, even if the power be Divine.
-- Steven M. Cahn

Mr. Cahn's statement here is effectively 180° out of phase with morality as defined and enforced by the biblical god, where threats of death by stoning or worse: eternal torture, are a regular stock in trade. I trust I needn't mention my own preference!

Comment was by Loren Miller on November 18, 2022 at 7:58am

Very neat, Doone.  Seems as though borrowing if not outright plagiarism was the order of the day back when, certainly as it came to myths and tall tales.  If I recall correctly, Aron Ra has held forth on that topic a bit as well.

Thanks a LOT for your input!

Comment was by Doone on November 18, 2022 at 7:21am

Saw this on reddit about Yahweh 

What Judaism inherited from Mesopotamia was mythology, not deities.

Specifically, the paradisiacal land of Eden is based on the land of Dilmun from the myth Enki and Ninḫursaĝa, which also features the creation of a woman (goddess) out of the rib of a man (god). The creation of humanity from clay and breath originates in the Akkadian Epic of Atramḫasīs, but was also included in the Babylonian Enūma Eliš. The account of the worldwide Deluge first appears in the Sumerian Eridu Genesis, but is also included in the Akkadian Epic of Atramḫasīs and the Babylonian Epic of Gilgameš.

All of the myths mentioned above were very popular during the Babylonian captivity, which is when Jewish writers encountered them before incorporating them into their own mythology. If we look at the principle actors in these myths, then Yahweh's early actions were based on those of Enlil, Ea, and Bēlet-Ili, but no single one of these deities was carbon copied to create Yahweh, whose religion also drew from other sources outside of Mesopotamia.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sumer/comments/ocb6pr/mesopotamian_equival...

Comment was by Loren Miller on November 18, 2022 at 6:54am

Saying god wants this or god did that is a mechanism for deferring responsibility or a need to understand for oneself the dynamics that are going on in one's life. A favorite phrase of one of the best men I ever knew was: “The unexamined life is not worth living.” Being willing to LOOK at oneself and to understand one's behavior is the first step toward taking possession of one's own life, while at the same time obviating the need to credit or blame some nonexistent deity for what is going on.

To me, that is the single most important lesson, and you can teach it to yourself. No deity is necessary.

-- me, commenting on the concept of “god's will”

I'm still waiting for Yahweh or SOME odd deity to actually hold forth themselves about their actual intentions and desires. I think I'll be waiting a while...

Comment was by Loren Miller on November 17, 2022 at 6:43am

But here's the biggest head-scratcher of all: Not only are atheists destroying our country, they're completely deluding themselves. There's simply no way to prove that there is no God. If I didn't hate them so much, I'd feel bad for these folks. Imagine going through life completely duped into thinking that there's no invisible, omniscient higher power guiding every action on Earth. It's just so arbitrary! Can't they see?
-- Stephen Colbert, I Am America (And So Can You!)

Stephen, I know this is a big ask, but ... just for a moment, could you drag your tongue from out of your cheek and tell us what you REALLY think?!? [chuckle]

Comment was by Loren Miller on November 16, 2022 at 6:52am

Religion is a failed social paradigm because it bases its ‘facts’ on stories, myths, wishful thinking, and the desire to be dependent. Too bad the dependence exists as a dream, not a reality.
-- Joan Denoo, Atheist Nexus, 14 April 2012

Worse, the above-mentioned "dependence" is on something with no demonstrable existence ... and just HOW does one effectively depend on something that isn't there?

Comment was by Loren Miller on November 15, 2022 at 9:41am

To act morally is not to act out of fear of punishment; it is not to act as one is commanded to act. Rather, it is to act as one ought to act. And how one ought to act is not dependent upon anyone's power, even if the power be Divine.
-- Steven M. Cahn

What. He. Said.

Comment was by Loren Miller on November 15, 2022 at 9:39am

Aaaah, Plutarch was a plonker (to borrow from a Seth Andrews podcast of a couple years ago)!

Comment was by Davy on November 15, 2022 at 9:21am

Seeing you are going way back in time I will leave you with Plutarch's thoughts on the subjects of Atheism and Superstition.

Taken from Plutarch's Essays
with an introduction written by Ralph Waldo Emerson.


 

Atheism, which is a false persuasion that there are no blessed and incorruptible beings, tends yet, by its disbelief of a Divinity, to bring men to a sort of unconcernedness and indifferency of temper; for the design of those that deny a God is to ease themselves of his fear.

But superstition appears by its appellation to be a distempered opinion and conceit, productive of such mean and abject apprehensions as debase and break a man's spirit, while he thinks there are divine powers indeed, but withal sour and vindictive ones.

So that the atheist is not at all, and the superstitious is perversely, affected with the thoughts of God; ignorance depriving the one of the sense of his goodness, and super-adding to the other a persuasion of his cruelty.

Atheism then is but false reasoning single,

but superstition is a disorder of the mind produced by this false reasoning.

Even he realised that superstition the basis of religion was a disorder of the mind. 
So something to cogitate upon

 

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