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Exploring the Earth and Animal Sciences

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I never cease to be awed by the splendor of the natural world, by the forces that shape the earth, and by the diversity and ingenuity of the life that populates it.

Animal | Vegetable | Mineral is a group where those who share this fascination can discuss the Earth and animal sciences of geology, volcanology, seismology, ecology, ethology, primatology, entymology—basically all the –ologies of the natural world. 
 

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Comment by Mrs.B on January 30, 2018 at 2:13pm

Can't say it breaks my heart......

Comment by Stephen on January 30, 2018 at 12:44pm

Oh what a shame 

Trophy hunter killed while stalking lion

a lion looking at the camera

A Croatian trophy hunter has been shot dead as he tracked a lion in South Africa in the weekend.
Pero Jelinic, 75, was an experienced hunter who frequently travelled with the intention of adding to his already sizeable trophy collection.
A police spokesperson told News24 that the hunting party had killed one lion and were tracking a second when Mr Jelinic was struck by a stray bullet.
It remains unknown who fired the fatal shot, and police are investigating a case of culpable homicide as well as illegal possession of a firearm and ammunition.
Mr Jelinic was killed at Leeubosch Lodge, a remote farm in the North West province of South Africa where captive lions are bred to be hunted by paying visitors.
The controversial practice is legal in South Africa, with 200 'canned hunting' farms throughout the country.
Friend Slavko Pernar told Croatian newspaper Jutarnji List that Mr Jelinic's office was "full of trophies, deer and bear specimens and everything that could be hunted in Croatia and Europe."
"Pero was a passionate hunter of big and small game, and in search of that he travelled most of the world," Mr Pernar said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trophy-hunter-killed-while-sta...

Comment by Chris on January 26, 2018 at 12:20am

Immanual Kant.

https://www.animallaw.info/intro/philosophy-and-animals

Contemporary animal rights and animal welfare advocates often make use of philosophers in the articulation and advancement of their movement. Sometimes a philosopher is merely trotted out for perfunctory abuse because of his animal-unfriendly philosophical views (that philosopher usually being the seventeenth-century philosopher René Descartes). This is not always altogether unfair, especially in Descartes’ case, as his view that animals are incapable of feeling pain strikes most today as patently absurd, and his indifferent depictions of experimentations upon still living animals strike most as horrifying.

The works of Immanuel Kant (an eighteenth-century philosopher) and John Stuart Mill (a nineteenth-century philosopher) have been used more substantively in animal advocacy movements, though. John Stuart Mill’s philosophy (utilitarianism) was actually already fairly animal-friendly. He believed that in any given situation the right action would be the action that tended to minimize the suffering and pain, and maximize the pleasure and happiness, of all interested parties. He further thought that the suffering, pain, pleasure and happiness of animals should be included in this calculus. Peter Singer’s Animal Liberation is a contemporary discussion of how such a utilitarian philosophy should impact our treatment of animals.

Another philosopher often discussed within animal advocacy movements is Immanuel Kant. Kant himself did not think that we had any direct ethical duties to animals. He believed that the only reason we should avoid being cruel to animals is that in doing so we might develop cruel habits that we would inflict on other people. According to Kant, we only owe ethical duties to rational beings, and animals are not included in that group. Still, animal rights advocates have been attracted to Kant’s philosophy for many reasons. One reason is that in Kant’s philosophy each individual to whom we do owe direct ethical duties can never be sacrificed to the happiness of others, no matter how much happiness might result. Kant posited that rational beings have inviolable rights, owed to them because of their rational nature, and that each must be treated as an end in herself. So, while in utilitarianism the right thing to do, that action which maximizes happiness, might involve inflicting pain on someone, in Kant’s philosophy that would never be acceptable. Animal rights advocates often argue that animals too have these sort of rights, and that they should never be sacrificed under the auspices of the greater good, either as food or as the subjects of medical experimentation.

Comment by Chris on January 25, 2018 at 10:42pm

What may be even worse is genetically modified samon (engineered to gain weight quickly). The U.S.  p*iece of Shit congress allowed that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/business/genetically-engineered-...

Comment by Suzanna on January 25, 2018 at 12:20pm

Me too.

Comment by Mrs.B on January 24, 2018 at 9:44pm

Cute, but I have mixed feelings about it.

Comment by Stephen on January 24, 2018 at 9:06pm

Baby macaques are the first primates to be cloned like Dolly the Sheep

Zhong Zhong and Hua Hua result from decades of trying to make somatic cell nuclear transfer work in monkeys

genetically identical cloned monkeys

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/baby-macaques-primates-clones-d...

Comment by Chris on January 21, 2018 at 8:51pm

I think ranchers who raise Rhinoceros  should be able to sell their horns because the kooks who believe rhino horns have medicinal powers - including as aphrodesiacs aren't going away and will resort to poaching  - killing rhinos to get the horn in attempt to maintain an erection. Sick bastards.

Maybe the same should be done with ranchers who raise elephants.

Tigers used for tiger bone soup is another topic.   What is it with some Asians who believe this stuff..

Comment by Suzanna on January 21, 2018 at 5:43am

Shocking

Comment by Mrs.B on January 20, 2018 at 5:35pm

Rotters!

 
 
 

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