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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?


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Islam is finding out the hard way that it cannot get away with some of it's garbage in China.

The rest of the world will shorten Islam's leach soon as well and I am all in for that.

It has the foulest ideology on earth.

Go China go.



The Small Pox virus was eradicated in 1979.

There are vaccinations for Hep A and B.

Interesting report. and

I read that there are large cities in China mostly unoccupied.

Please see: 

12 eerie photos of enormous Chinese cities completely empty of people

Throughout China, there are hundreds of cities that have almost everything one needs for a modern, urban lifestyle: high-rise apartment complexes, developed waterfronts, skyscrapers, and even public art. Everything, that is, except one major factor: people.

These mysterious — and almost completely empty — cities are a part of China's larger plan to move up to 300 million citizenscurrently living in rural areas into urban locations. Places like the Kangbashi District of Ordos are already prepped and ready to be occupied.

Photographer Kai Caemmerer became fascinated with these urban plans, and in 2015 he traveled to China to explore and document them. His series, "Unborn Cities," depicts a completely new type of urban development. "Unlike in the US, where cities often begin as small developments and grow in accordance to the local industries, these new Chinese cities are built to the point of near completion before introducing people," he told Business Insider.


Please see the link

Regardless of whether or not there is a vaccine, HBV has and still is used as a decolonizing weapon-tool against non-Han minorities, regardless of their religion. The term nosocomialis 'time off from work,' is apropo here. It cannot be said to only Islam's garbage, the Catholics founded the journal, Islamochristiana in 1975. Closer to the West is the fact that Chinese economic hitmen had already invested some millions in Venezuelan grassroots agriculture in April of 2009. Because the URL is too ridiculously complex to transcribe to this list, the reader can retrieve the Reuters report:

Reuters: How ZTE Helps Venezuela Create China-Style Social Control

Suggested reading: www. for Deleuze and Guattari's Postscript on the Societies of Control

Five months after the Chinese economic hitmen invested in Venezuela, the Uighurs retaliated against Han Chinese colonizing arrogance and its use of hepatitis B virus against the Uighurs.

5 Sept 2009 China: Thousands Protest Needle Syringe Attacks by Chinese Uighur Muslims

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15 Nov 2018 Bipartisan Legislators in U.S. Senate Against China's Human Rights Abuses in Xinjiang

I likely don't understand what you are suggesting.

Are you suggesting that hepatitis was used as biological warfare.

Anyone with a quarter of a brain knows that using biological warfare is likely and will spread throughout the community at large.

Every country has a place, or often numerous places to dump pollutants.

What's the point Mike?

The National Enquirer and Sun may be similar and have just as much viability as  the link you posted. I'm sure it's not affiliated with the New York Times. 

Tabloid news.

Of course with tabloid news there is a bit of - I wouldn't even call them facts- but fertilizer sprinkled in the article. 

Televangelists Last Week Tonight with John Oliver.  Aug 16, 1015.

U.S. tax law allows television preachers to get away with almost anything.
We know this from personal experience.
Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption will not be able to accept donations from Church supporters from the states of Mississippi, Nevada, Pennsylvania, or South Carolina.

Nothing quite like having the fraud squad asleep at the switch.

You and I have to make up the tax shortfall that those immoral bastards create.

Insult after injury.



Are churches preditory?

I'd say 'yes' especially if they get foster kids imprisoned/institutionalized in their congregation   I'd bet that happens a lot.

I purchased a house from someone who was a foster parent and heard from the neighbors about him and his 'family.'  

I feel sorry for foster kids.  Society in general doesn't help them. 

There likely are a lot of stories about that. Here's the first one that appeared in a search.

Foster Children Need the Church

One of the bravest women I know is the woman who gave birth to my son. She was young, it was her first child, her life was unstable, and she hadn’t made all the best decisions up to that point. In fact, some of her decisions would have lasting consequences for her and her unborn child. Yet she remains one of the most courageous women I know, because she let this little one grow inside her, not knowing what the future would hold. When it would have been perhaps “in her best interest” or “more convenient” to visit the abortion clinic, she chose life. She carried this little one inside her to full-term, went to the hospital when the time came, and gave him life. 

I’m forever grateful for her decision, and for this little boy who’s now my son.

Though many children enter the foster care system later in life, this is how the story begins for many foster children in the United States. By definition, foster children are those whose birth parents are unable to care for them at the present time and need someone to care for them for a week, a month, a year, or permanently. Some have been abused or neglected, but others have birth parents who simply need time to get back on their feet.

About 430,000 children in our country are in foster care, and nearly 112,000 are waiting to be adopted.

Foster care isn’t an adoption agency—the goal is to re-unite children with their birth parents or biological family members, if possible. However, if in time it becomes clear that this reunion will compromise the child’s safety or well-being, adoption becomes the aim. Currently in the United States, about 430,000 children are in foster care, and of those children, nearly .... Though the numbers can seem overwhelming, the remarkable part is these children have been born. Their unborn lives, like the life of my son, have been protected. They are now toddlers, young children, or teenagers in need of a place to call home for a few months—or for the rest of their life.

Our Story

Our journey with foster care began with a phone call one chilly March morning, just weeks after becoming a state-approved foster home. A six-pound baby boy had been born and needed a home for a few weeks until more permanent arrangements could be made with family members. We said yes, taking him in as our own for as long as the Lord saw best. Little did we know those weeks would turn into months, and the months into years. In September 2016, a two-and-a-half-year chapter in this little boy’s life closed. He went from being one of the 430,000 foster children in our country to being our son. My husband, Joel, and I had the privilege and joy of swearing under oath before God, the family court judge, and our friends and family to officially make him a part of our family forever.

In September 2016, a two-and-a-half-year chapter in this little boy’s life closed. He went from being one of the 430,000 foster children in our country to being our son.

The journey hasn’t been quick or easy. Over the course of the last three years, the things we’ve seen have broken our hearts. We’ve anxiously awaited phone calls after court dates. We’ve braced ourselves to say goodbye to our baby on numerous occasions. We’ve cried over news of birth parents dropping out of rehab. Most recently, we wept as we watched our little guy’s birth parents kiss him goodbye (for now). I’ve said it before: Foster care is a messy and complicated process, filled with messy and complicated emotions. The road is usually long and even treacherous at times for the hearts of all involved, but we have a God who never grows faint. He is able to give strength to those who embark down this long, winding path of foster care.

Call to the Church

Orphan and foster care in America actually began as a Christian effort. In the early 1850s, a minister named Charles Loring Brace made efforts to help thousands of homeless children in New York City. He’s known as the father of the foster care movement, and went great lengths to place children in Christian families.

As Christians, we have a God who cares for the orphan and for those who cannot help themselves (Ps. 68:5; James 1:27). Foster children are essentially orphans, some only temporarily, but the results can be tragic if they’re left to grow up in the system without a family. It’s estimated that 30 percent of homeless people were once in the U.S. foster care system. Having never learned how to attach to people or places, they struggle to find healthy relationships, to stay in school, and to hold down a job later in life. It has also been documented that 70 percent of foster youth dream of going to college, but only 3 percent actually make it despite the fact many states offer them free college tuition.

The need is enormous, but when you consider that there are roughly 348,067 evangelical churches in America, the 430,000 children-in-foster-care number doesn’t seem quite so daunting. Unfortunately, it’s not a problem that can be solved by simply doing the math and distributing children among churches. Many factors complicate the issue, but the numbers are still fascinating to consider.

The church really can do something to help. While not all may be called to open a home to foster children, there are numerous ways to get involved and be part of the solution. I’ve been incredibly blessed by a meal from a friend on a busy week of social worker visits, or by friends who took the time to get fingerprinted so they could be approved babysitters. Larger group homes may be in financial need to care for the children, or they may have a child in need of a tutor or a counselor. The needs are many and ongoing at every level of the foster care system. Who better to meet those needs than the church?

Join Us

Foster care doesn’t have to be “plan B” in your life. Joel and I didn’t pursue it because of an inability to have biological children. We also didn’t do it because we’re special or possess a unique ability to remain unattached from kids who come into our home. Our plan from the beginning was to get “too attached” to our son, no matter the outcome. The path of foster care isn’t safe for the heart, but we embarked down it anyway. And we hope to do it again, because there are children who need homes, and because we have a Savior who has loved us like this. He willingly laid down his life in order to welcome us into his family forever, and though Joel and I are far from perfect in our love, this is what we want to do for our children. The road has involved many twists and turns, tears and sleepless nights, but we don’t regret for a moment our decision to walk it.

More here.


Thanks for this.

Social programs do not always end in working as well as the spirit of the programs would like.

Christian and catholic programs fare no better and sometimes worse if we look at the Catholic abuse and murders within their orphanage programs.

Residential schools also show how abusive and murderous such programs can be.

In modern times, those abuses become harder to hide.

Let's hope those days are far behind us, although with the way we protect pedophiles, I think we have a ways to go before we lower religions to their proper place in society.




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