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Professional violinists cannot distinguish between a Stradivarius and a top-quality modern instrument

This is a hybrid post, it belongs in the music category, of course, but also in a science group. What could be better than an enlightened fusion between one of the most beautiful art forms and science? As you probably all known, the old Italian Stradivarius violins have survived the test of time and are presumed to be so much better than any other violin, ancient or modern built, that professional musicians are willing to pay millions of dollars for one of them. Violinists swear that there is a huge difference between the Stradivarius and modern counterparts, and all of them when asked, declared they could tell the difference, hands down, between the sounds produced by one of these old Italian masterpieces and other top-quality instrument. But can they? A scientific experiment involving 21 professional violinists and 6 violins, 3 Strads and 3 top-quality modern violins, one of which built only a few days before the experiment. The experiment was truly double-blind, since neither the violinists nor the people handing them, the violins were played in the same dimly lit hotel room, while the musicians were wearing goggles to disturb their visual acuity, and the instruments were perfumed to remove any possible telling smells Not only were the violinists incapable of telling which one was old and which one was new, but they slightly preferred one of the new instruments over the other 5, and the least valued instrument was the most venerable and most ancient Stradivarius of all the 3 old violins. Ed Yong wrote a great article on this story, which i post below. Read through all the comments too. one of the commenters is one of the professional violinists, John Solonika, who was one of the 21 musicians participating in the experiment and says: "It was a privilege to be involved and fascinating. If, after this, you cling to picayune critiques and dismiss the study, then I think you are in denial. If 21 of us could not tell in controlled circumstances and 1500 people could not tell any differences in a hall, and this is consistent with past studies…then it is time to put the myths out to pasture."

Violinists can’t tell the difference between Stradivarius violins a...

Antique Italian violins, such as those crafted by Antonio Stradivari or Giuseppe Guarneri “del Gesu”, can fetch millions of dollars.  Many violinists truly believe that these instruments are better than newly made violins, and several scientists have tried to work out why. Some suspected at the unusually dense wood, harvested from Alpine spruces that grew during an Ice Age. Others pointed the finger at the varnish, or the chemicals that Stradivari used to treat the wood.

But Claudia Fritz (a scientist who studies instrument acoustics) and Joseph Curtin (a violin-maker) may have discovered the real secret to a Stradivarius’s sound: nothing at all.

The duo asked professional violinists to play new violins, and old ones by Stradivari and Guarneri. They couldn’t tell the difference between the two groups. One of the new violins even emerged as the most commonly preferred instrument.

Ever since the early 19th century,  many tests have questioned the alleged superiority of the old Italian violins. Time and again, listeners have failed to distinguish between the sound of the old and new instruments. But critics have been quick to pick holes in these studies. In most cases, the listeners weren’t experts, and the players and researchers knew which violin was which – a flaw that could have biased the results.

What’s more, no one has tested whether violinists themselves can truly pick up the supposedly distinctive sound of a Strad. The common wisdom is that they can, but Fritz and Curtin showed that this isn’t true. “Many people were convinced that as soon as you play an old violin, you can feel that it’s old, it’s been played a lot, and it has a special sound quality,” says Fritz. “People who took part in the experiment said it was the experience of a lifetime when we told them the results. They were fully convinced they could tell the difference, and they couldn’t.”

During the Eighth International Violin Competition of Indianapolis – one of the world’s most important competitions – Fritz and Curtin persuaded six violinists to part with their instruments. Three of the violins were new; one was made a few days before. The other three had illustrious, centuries-long histories. Two were made by Stradivari and the other by Guarneri. One of the Stradivari, denoted “O1”, currently belongs to an institution, and is loaned to only the most gifted players. All three have featured in concerts and recordings, bowed by famous violinists. Their combined value is around 10 million US dollars, a hundred times more than the three new ones.

Curtin’s influence was essential in persuading people to give up such prized, fragile possessions, especially to be played by blindfolded strangers. “Joseph is a well-known person in the community and people trust him,” says Fritz. “That’s why we managed to do the study: the combination of me as the scientist and him as the violin-maker.”

Back in the lab, Fritz and Curtin asked 21 professional volunteers to play the six violins. They had played for anywhere from 15 to 61 years, and some of them were even involved in the competition as contestants and judges. They played the instruments in a dimly lit hotel room chosen for relatively dry acoustics.

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yeah, you might be right.  But, Adriana DID show up, daily ,

every day,

for years.

but, that was a long time ago i guess.

there are so so many 'regulars' that are not here anymore, Sydni, Adriana, DallasGaytheist, Shanika, Hope, it is a long long list....i can not even think of their names all at once right now....


i guess one can not pop up in a previously used website, and expect to find the others all still there.  eh?

Its always been quiet here since I joined. Several people have joined, some have participated for a very short time, then disappear. Weird.

Mrs B, this is off topic, but, i do like the way that YOU seem to be consistent here. YAYyyyyyyyyyyyy

I joined to be a participant. Its a shame that there are so few who feel the same. Seen many join since I joined, but hardly any bother to say anything.

yes, i don' t know why that is?
I have observed the same.

It didn't use to be like this.

you would log on, and viola! there would be dozens of people online, all commenting back and forth, or in chatbox, it used to be like that.
i remember once, i am not sure why,but, we used to occasionally, all agree to get online all at same time.
Once, i got lotta people to all agree to eat pancakes on New Years day.  and we did.
we used to party online together.  we would even have a cocktail that we would all make together, and then we would all get online, sip our drinks  and chat around.
we all knew all about each other...

Yeah, very quiet these days it seems, & I've been here since 2013.

I wonder what changed?

and wow, 2013? we might have crossed paths then, i am not sure when i fizzled out from online stuff for a while...

Adriana took up teaching, a professor at NYU. She is still on FB. Michel lost interest here, he's been into creating art and is also on FB. I still show up here and there, but not involved as much. Probably time to be more active, the Trump regime is destroying what's left of the wall between church and state. 

He is destroying everything.

We were saying that politicians around the world are following Trump's lead because they see that a populist agenda is working. We in the UK have that fool Nigel Farage who is a slightly more intelligent version of Trump.

Still not much of an endorsement is it?


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