Love your avatar, Neal. Reminded me of a gorilla named Kong who owned a guy I know named Peter Gros (later a host on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom TV show). Kong loved classical music, but destroyed one radio per day when the classical station signed off at sundown. He also like cameras and knew about removable lenses, but had a disconcerting tendency to yank expensive Nikons from unsuspecting photographers and then twist the lenses out by the roots in the "wrong" direction. This was in a non-public area at an erstwhile park named Marine World/Africa USA in Redwood City, CA. Gros was curator of land animals at the time and we were both living in the neighborhood, Redwood Shores, where the park was located. This is NOT an endorsement of keeping wild animals in captivity for purposes other than rehabilitation.
I believe Susan made some really stupid accusations that pissed me off. She is the queen of logically fallacies. She continually twists my words into something I never said, but she gets a pass. Not surprising. I didn't comment on what MJ said (apart from the toe stepping thing) because I didn't disagree with him. It wasn't a hate filled rant. The stuff about human sacrifice was pretty much something I had already said. I have said over and over again that there is a line that can be crossed but it's up to a judge to decide where that line is. The thread has really been about one guy who seems to have utter contempt for any theist who would dare question there rights and take there issues to the proper arena.