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Here's a few images for you to check out. What mighty city is this that needs such a show of force? Lansing MI, with a population of 114,000, is apparently under siege by the populace. At least one might think so looking at the following images. These are from today and there's not a protestor in site.

What might be the problem you ask? The usual conservative crap. In Michigan we have a conservative controlled legislature and governor, and it sucks. This show of force relates to current legislation, our friendly elected numb nuts are trying to make Michigan a right to work state. Destroying wages, benefits and unions so they can put a few more dollars in the hands of the rich. The only unions not effected is interesting enough, the police and firemen.

We now have a militarized force that is here to protect the rich, not the public.

Screw them. The fun begins tomorrow. I will be in the city at 8 am and join the march to the capital. There will be thousands of protestors, and we will gain entrance to the capital; it is ours.

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Comment by Lutz on January 1, 2019 at 3:39am

rippa---I read this amazing American website: - don't let the title put you off. It is what you write about here. How the Amerikan[sic on purpose haha] police has gone from law-abiding to law-enforcement. As well as going to that perfect land of Israel to learn the latest techniques - proven in the field! - of 'managing' urban populations. We, beyond the pale sit and watch and wonder at the antics of your country. Not that DownUnder is a beacon of hope. The cops here have been bent for like since the convict days. I got 'verbaled' twice in my life. Ending up with a criminal record. Of which I am proud of! HA! Disputing this with the magistrate would have been futile and dangerous. So I wore the 6 moths suspended sentence for the heinous crime of 'smoking marijuana'. Which to make sure this was so the detectives kindly brought along.

Comment by Neal on December 13, 2012 at 7:47am

Conservatives apparently aren't bright enough to destroy the state:

Analysis of Flawed Right to Work Legislation Shows Governor, Republican Legislators, Had Never Reviewed Language Prior to Signing it Into Law

Lansing – Less than 24 hours after Governor Snyder signed his damaging “Right to Work” legislation into law, analysis shows that the flawed legislation may not even have the result the Governor claimed it would, raising serious questions about whether the Republican leadership even read the language of the bills before voting it through and signing it into law.

“It's become increasingly clear that the Governor presented the legislature with bills written by out-of-state extremists who had no understanding of Michigan's constitution or how our laws apply to Michigan workers,” said Senate Democratic Leader Gretchen Whitmer. “This is what happens when the Governor does an 11th hour about face in a lame duck session showing utter contempt for our people by cutting out all public input, scrutiny and debate. That isn't leadership, it's epic incompetence .”

Reports today show that HB 4003, which the Governor said would provide “Right to Work” type policies for public employees in Michigan, could not be implemented as intended as the Michigan Constitution gives clear authority to the Civil Service Commission over conditions of employment for the state's workforce. Experts have suggested today only a vote of the Civil Service Commission could enact Right to Work policies for state workers.

“The public was not given an opportunity to read these bills, legislators were not given an opportunity to read these bills, and we now know that the Governor himself either didn't read or didn't understand these bills himself,” said Senator Bert Johnson (D – Detroit). “This process has been a complete affront to Democracy from the start and was nothing more than a political gift to the Koch Brothers and ALEC who bought and paid for this legislation.”

A series of questions have been raised in recent days over the legality of the “Right to Work” legislation as well as the process in which it passed. A lawsuit has already been filed against the Michigan House of Representatives for violating the Open Meetings Act as these bills were passed while the public was illegally locked out of the State Capitol and additional legal challenges are expected in the coming days

Comment by Davy on December 12, 2012 at 1:44pm

The following link is to the Australian Council of Trade Unions. ACTU . One of our former PM's was president of the ACTU. Bob Hawke! Most of Australia's if not all trade unions are affiliated with the ACTU. It will give you an idea of their history and how the trade unions work in Australia. 

It is not perfect but there are checks and balances that catch out unethical and criminal behaviour of the members of the union including the officials. I belong to a union while I worked in civvy street even for a very brief time a union rep. Members of the defence force are bound by martial law but able to belong to defence force associations that have no impact on the performance of our duties. 

There is a page of links, have a look at it.

Comment by Michel on December 12, 2012 at 11:51am

I get it. State vs Federal jurisdiction.

Yes, the atmosphere in the workplace will be fantastic =/

Unions provide their own layer of ethics and work organisation (not always a good thing, but that's another story), how can an employer hope to 'integrate' the free-loaders into his pipeline without major disruptions?

Comment by Neal on December 12, 2012 at 11:37am

I think the difference is is that the "representative" fee is 60 to 80% of the cost of union dues. So an employee in a union shop would not be forced to join the union, but would still have to pay for union expenses. That is how closed shops got around the law. (Yes, I found what Salon was talking about). To get the benefits of union representation, you had to pay one way or another, that is the "nuance."

What will happen at many businesses, especially with the economy not being that great, is that employees will opt to take more money home and the unions will not have the resources to continue business.

Comment by Neal on December 12, 2012 at 11:26am

The law doen't prevent closed union shops, it allows states to become right to work states to circumvent closed shops. In Michigan, union shops were closed before this legislation.

As a federal employee, we were not bound by state law, so an employee did not have to join the union. This is what MI will now be like. Basically it puts employees at each others throat. Some of the worst employees I worked with were non-union, always in trouble for not doing their job. Union forced to represent them like MI will have to do now. Free services, no payment. We were strong union supporters, probably 80% union or so, but everyone hated to pay for the non-union guys. We'd do as little as possible for them, only going to battle if the problem would have consequences for union members.

Comment by Michel on December 12, 2012 at 10:59am

From the Salon article:

So-called right-to-work laws ban union contracts from requiring workers in a bargaining unit to pay for the costs of representation. (Contrary to much rhetoric – and some reporting – U.S. law already prevents workers from being required to join a union or pay dues, per se. The issue is whether non-members, whom the union is still legally required to negotiate for and represent at work, can be required to pay representation fees.) Right-to-work defunds and discourages unions, and makes it easier for employers to discriminate against pro-union workers.

I'm not sure I get the nuance here.

If federal law already gives a free ride to non-union workers (prevents unions from requiring membership and dues yet forces them to represent those workers) what does RtW add to the mix?

What's the difference between dues and representation fees?

Comment by Neal on December 12, 2012 at 6:17am

I had several meetings with Mark in 2005 while he was a Representative. I would trust his comments.

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Comment by Chris on December 12, 2012 at 4:32am

Hopefully someone has a video of the penny throwing and chants about labor being worth nothing.

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