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Secularism in the UK and Europe.and all those lucky places that doesnt have Trumps as its leader


Secularism in the UK and Europe.and all those lucky places that doesnt have Trumps as its leader

To show that Secularism and Freethought are alive and well in the United Kingdom and Europe.

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Did Europe's centuries of religious war result in its secularism?

Started by May the Big Bang RIP. Last reply by Chris Jul 30, 2016. 8 Replies

Did long-term monarchs impose their religions?In the US, with presidents' terms limited to eight years, religions might be imposed by majorities in state legislatures or Congress or by majorities on state supreme courts or the US Supreme Court.Continue

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Firms 'place asylum seekers in sub-standard housing'

Started by Stephen. Last reply by Mrs.B Jan 20, 2016. 1 Reply

Private security firms G4S and Serco have placed asylum seekers in sub-standard properties, according to a report by the National Audit Office.…Continue

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Comment by Stephen on March 4, 2016 at 6:21am

InArchaeology and Atheismdustrial

Twelve thousand tons of fuck you evidence to creationists

Comment by May the Big Bang RIP on February 28, 2016 at 2:53am

Well said, Chris.

Religion's pecking order is an alternative devised by people who did poorly in the economic pecking order and in the political pecking order.

Able to dominate in their religious pecking order, they can accumulate wealth, power, and sexual opportunity.

Comment by Chris on February 27, 2016 at 11:31pm


I posted the bridge link because religion appears to be about power, control, greed, and access to resources.

Throw someone off a building, or let them fall off a bridge.

Religion is about money, power ingroups and outgroups. 

Religion is political at it's root.

Comment by Mrs.B on February 27, 2016 at 2:32pm

I really wish they'd quite dragging this baggage into other countries.

Comment by Stephen on February 27, 2016 at 1:57pm

Why do we allow discrimination based on culture?

by Anne Marie Waters

Why do we allow discrimination based on culture?

So, the Olympics has come and gone and it's been a triumph; our athletes have done us proud and the UK has a whole new raft of sporting heroes and heroines. But that's not all – Saudi Arabia got off the hook, misogyny has been normalised, and multiculturalism has been disingenuously defended … all in a few short weeks.

Let me start by conveying my genuine congratulations and admiration for Team GB, who put in such a wonderful performance – uniting the country and providing so many exciting, proud and memorable moments. As someone who can't be bothered to run for the bus, I applaud your achievements and am a just a little bit jealous (I've never been any good at sport, but would like to be).

Prior to the Olympics however, you may recall that Saudi Arabia got itself into bother by attempting to send an all-male team. The International Olympic Committee (which governs such things) said they weren't having that, and demanded that Saudi Arabia send some women. So it did. Sarah Attar — an American of Saudi descent — came for track-and-field, and 16 year old Wojdan Shaherkan was sent to represent the country in Judo. And all was well with the world again. Except, the women representing Saudi Arabia would do so covered from head to toe and Wojdan Shaherkan was close to being sent home in a row over whether or not she could wear the hijab while competing. Having initially said no, the Olympic bosses gave in and allowed her to cover her head. And all was well with the world again. Everywhere from the Guardian to the Daily Mail this was lauded as a huge success – a giant step forward for women. Progress had been made, they said. But had it? Or had we just normalised and accepted the separation and covering of women, and can we now expect more of the same in the future? Will Egypt's women, or Algeria's women, or Turkey's women now be required to cover from head to foot and if so, will we accept that as duly as we have done on this occasion? My question is – how much further to the edge will we allow women to be pushed?

Follow Anne Marie Waters on Twitter @amdwaters.

Comment by Stephen on February 24, 2016 at 10:12pm

Welby says separation of church and state “would not be a disaster”, admits establishment has been abused

Posted: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:08

The Archbishop of Canterbury has said that while he is opposed to the disestablishment of the Church of England, the separation of church and state would not be a disaster for the Anglican Church.

Speaking to members of the judiciary, Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said that separating church and state by disestablishing the Church of England "would not be a disaster or a great advantage" to the Church.

While the Archbishop was very clear that he would oppose the separation of church and state, he said that such a development would "just be another event in a very long history".

Archbishop Welby claimed that "I think we have learned in the last half-century that establishment is good for the country, a way of serving the country through the parish system."

But he added that if "if we're going to abuse establishment as we have done in the past, then absolutely [the Church should be disestablished]".

NSS campaigns manager Stephen Evans commented: "While the Archbishop clearly doesn't support disestablishment, there are many other religious advocates of separating church and state for the benefit of both. The Church should be able to make its pitch and proselytise in the public square without retaining anachronistic privileges."

The Archbishop also said that the UK "is not a Christian country in the sense that we are all churchgoing, but actually it never was."

"The height of churchgoing in England was in the 1850s, when about 22% of the population would regularly go to church."

Recent projections from the Church of England found that just 18 in 1000 people attend Anglican services regularly, and that this number is expected to drop to around 10 per 1000 population over the next thirty years.

Comment by May the Big Bang RIP on February 24, 2016 at 4:29am

Stephen, you asked if I see the regressive nature of gay people supporting Islam.

I saw the slogan "LGBT Against Islamophobia" and understood it to mean it was calling for an end to what the Oxford English dictionary defines as an "extreme or irrational fear" of Islam.

But perhaps you don't use the OED.

If not, what dictionary do you use?

Comment by Mrs.B on February 24, 2016 at 2:06am


Comment by Stephen on February 23, 2016 at 6:38pm

These are the calibre of imam we've got in the UK

Comment by Stephen on February 23, 2016 at 9:31am

Chris interesting your two videos might be, can I ask why you posted them on Secularism in the UK and Europe. They don't make much sense in this group. 


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