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Secularism in the UK and Europe.and all those lucky places that doesnt have Trumps as its leader

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To show that Secularism and Freethought are alive and well in the United Kingdom and Europe.

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Did Europe's centuries of religious war result in its secularism?

Started by Tom Sarbeck. Last reply by Chris Jul 30, 2016. 8 Replies

Did long-term monarchs impose their religions?In the US, with presidents' terms limited to eight years, religions might be imposed by majorities in state legislatures or Congress or by majorities on state supreme courts or the US Supreme Court.Continue

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Firms 'place asylum seekers in sub-standard housing'

Started by Stephen. Last reply by Mrs.B Jan 20, 2016. 1 Reply

Private security firms G4S and Serco have placed asylum seekers in sub-standard properties, according to a report by the National Audit Office.…Continue

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Comment by Stephen on May 10, 2018 at 7:51pm

NSS: investigate Christian campaigners’ role in Alfie Evans case

The National Secular Society has urged the legal regulatory authorities to investigate the conduct of a Christian campaign group in the recent case of the toddler Alfie Evans.
The NSS has written to the Bar Standards Board and the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) about the conduct of the Christian Legal Centre (CLC). The CLC purported to give Alfie's parents legal advice during their campaign to be allowed to take their seriously ill child out of Alder Hey hospital in Liverpool.
In February a judge ruled that it was lawful and in Alfie's best interests for his ventilation to be withdrawn and for further treatment and palliative care to take place at Alder Hey. Alfie's parents challenged the ruling through a series of appeals.
In one instance the CLC's Pavel Stroilov told Tom Evans, Alfie's father, it would be lawful to remove Alfie from the hospital and take him elsewhere. That advice contradicted previous court decisions. If Alfie had been removed from the hospital both those removing him and the hospital would have breached a court order.
When it ruled on the case on 16 April the Court of Appeal said the letter was "misleading to the extent of giving the father false advice" and had "led to a confrontation" in which Alfie was involved and the police had to be called. The court also expressed "dismay and concern" that staff had been harassed and patients and family members scared at the hospital.
At a further hearing of the Family Division of the High Court Mr Justice Hayden described Stroilov as a "fanatical and deluded young man" whose 'legal advice' had come close to contempt of court. The judge said his submissions to the court were "littered with vituperation and bile" that was "inconsistent with the real interests of the parents' case".
The court also heard that Stroilov had been party to Tom Evans's attempt to bring a private prosecution for murder against some of the hospital doctors.
The Court of Appeal also said Paul Diamond, a barrister for the parents who appeared in CLC press releases, had made the "startling proposition" that Alfie's best interests were irrelevant. The ruling said it was "wholly wrong to suggest that the parents' own views can trump the judicial determination made in this case".
At an earlier hearing Mr Justice Hayden said Diamond had made a misconceived argument which had been "comprehensively rejected by the Supreme Court".
In the NSS's letters chief executive Stephen Evans and Sadikur Rahman, the chair of its Secular Legal Forum, said the CLC had "flagrantly breached" the legal bodies' code of conduct, along with the Legal Services Act of 2007, "on numerous occasions".
Mr Evans and Mr Rahman said the CLC had implied it was acting for its clients despite not being a regulated body capable of representing parties in court proceedings. They said the CLC had issued court proceedings, applications and appeals when it had no standing to do so and illegitimately claimed to instruct counsel on behalf of Alfie Evans's parents. And they said a number of individuals had claimed to act as lawyers for the parents without having appropriate registration or qualifications.
https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2018/05/nss-investigate-christia...

Comment by Stephen on May 9, 2018 at 11:59am

Funny you should say that Tom but we had a story from north London where the local Tory council was seen paying for free bus rides for all the Muslim kids but not the other non-religious schools. The National secular society took them to court on the grounds that it was discriminatory and won.

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on May 9, 2018 at 11:43am

Stephen, do buses taking kids to the secular schools also take kids to nearby faith schools?

This wasn’t done when I was in RC schools. As kids walked two miles from their homes to the school—in Spring, Fall, and Winter—buses carrying kids to the nearby public school passed them. (I wanted to go to the public school because it had a woodshop class. It was also closer to my home.)

You perhaps heard of the recent SCOTUS ruling that using tax money to pave a play area for kids in religious schools helped the kids, not their schools’ religious mission.

Comment by Stephen on May 9, 2018 at 11:00am
Comment by Stephen on May 9, 2018 at 10:40am

Myth= 
"Faith schools are necessary to protect parents’ religious freedom"
The state has a duty to provide schools and to respect parents’ religious freedom. The case law is clear that this doesn’t create a duty to provide faith schools.
You certainly don't need faith schools to cater for families of different religions in the UK. Schools that are open, inclusive and equally welcoming to all children whatever their religion and belief backgrounds, do that by default.
While it is understandable that there are parents who wish for their child to be raised according to their religious tradition, they don't have the right to that via the state, and the general taxpayer should not be the one to foot the bill. Religion and belief communities exist to promote their worldviews, schools don't. Faith schools undermine many parents' ability to raise their children in accordance with their religion/belief.
It's also a mistake to assume that religious people necessarily want faith schools. Many people of faith are opposed to religious discrimination, don't see faith inculcation as the state's role, or have other reasons for supporting inclusive schools.
People live out their religion or belief in many ways, we don't need faith-hospitals, or faith-job centres or any other faith based/divided public service to enable people to exercise their religion. The UK is unusual in having state funded faith schools, many countries with higher levels of religiosity don't have them.
An inclusive school would be secular – that is it would neither be specifically religious or atheist; it would fulfil the educational requirements of all children as individuals. There's nothing anti-religious about schools that are open, inclusive and equally welcoming to all children, whatever their religion and belief backgrounds.
A secular education system is perfectly consistent with protecting individuals' religious freedom.

Comment by Stephen on May 9, 2018 at 10:20am

No more segregation. No more discrimination.
No More Faith Schools.

Comment by Stephen on May 8, 2018 at 11:33pm

Tory MPs Block Release Of Windrush Papers From When Theresa May Was Home Secretary
May has escaped even more scrutiny over Windrush

Conservative MPs have blocked attempts to get Home Office documents relating to the Windrush scandal released to Parliament.

The Tories voted down a Labour motion calling for the handing over of all papers, correspondence and advice relating to the debacle - including emails and text messages - from 11 May 2010 up to 1 May 2018.

If the move had been successful, it would have shown exactly what Prime Minster Theresa May knew about the scandal and when during her six years as Home Secretary.
But the move was thwarted when 316 MPs followed party orders to defeat Labour’s motion, with 221 MPs backing the call.

Speaking after the vote, Labour’s Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott said: “After losing her human shield with the resignation of Amber Rudd, the architect of this scandal, Theresa May, ordered her MPs to vote to cover up the truth of her involvement.
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“This is nothing short of a betrayal of the Windrush generation and others who have been affected by the Government’s heartless ‘hostile environment’, and flies in the face of the new Home Secretary’s promise to make things right.
“Tory MPs will now have to explain to the people whose lives have been turned upside down why they think they don’t deserve the facts to be known and don’t deserve proper justice.”
Since last year’s election, the Tories have frequently refused to vote in opposition debates, and did not try to block the release of Brexit impact assessments last year when Labour used a similar parliamentary tactic.
Just hours before the vote, May announced there would be a “full review” of the decisions which led to the Windrush crisis, which would report back to MPs before the end of July.
After making the announcement, May was asked if she agreed with new Home Secretary Sajid Javid when he said the so-called ‘hostile environment’ policy towards illegal immigrants “does not represent our values as a country”.
May avoided giving a clear answer, saying: “What the Home Secretary said was that he absolutely shares the need to differentiate between illegal and legal immigrants.
“What he also said was there was a certain phrase he wasn’t going to use, a phrase that was first used by Labour ministers in Government.”
Javid’s claim that the atmosphere would change from “hostile” to “compliance” was savaged by Labour MP David Lammy in a debate on the Windrush scandal ahead of the vote.
Lammy said:
“The Windrush community and its ancestors know what hostile and compliance means. We know what compliance means. It’s written deep into our souls and passed down from our ancestors.
“Slaves having to nod and smile when they were being whipped in a cotton field or a sugar cane field were compliant.
“Watching your partner being tied to a tree, beaten or raped, on a plantation, is compliance.
“12million people being transported as slaves form Africa to the colonies is a compliant environment.
“Windrush citizens being abused, spat on, and assaulted in the streets but never once fighting back was a compliant environment.
“Black Britons being racially abused at work but never speaking up because they need to put food on the table know all about a compliant environment.
“Turning the other cheek when the National Front was marching through our streets was a compliant environment.
“Young black men being stopped and searched by the police despite committing no crime and living in fear of the police know what it’s like to be in a compliant environment.
“And thank God that Doreen Lawrence defied that compliant environment.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-vote-windrush_uk...

Comment by Stephen on May 3, 2018 at 8:37pm

Islam is a Religion of Peace - Debunked (Islam is Peaceful - Refuted)

Comment by Mrs.B on May 2, 2018 at 7:33pm

That would be a tough name to live down!

Comment by Stephen on May 2, 2018 at 7:30pm

Dr Ray vin Loony Chief Executive of The British Homeopathic Association

What an apt name for a homoeopath 

 

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