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WHEN PIGS FLY is a group about unbelievable nonsense. A place to laugh at the wierd beliefs and crazy nonsense of people who are clearly our inferiors. 



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Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe.  –Euripides, "Helen," Euripides II: Four Tragedies (412 B.C.)


Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. ― Carl Sagan


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Doubtful News

15 Credibility Street #26: Stand me up at the gates of Hell

We delve right into a discussion about the latest mass shooting in the U.S. – what we know and what we don’t know and why. Many people have an ideological basis for their points of view. And, sadly, they hold invalid and illogical views perhaps until they are faced with the truth right in front…

15 Credibility Street #25: A spray a day keeps monsters away

In this jam-packed episode, we run through updates on still active news stories, discuss some current cool and not so cool things from the last two weeks, and check out a hyped anomaly that probably wasn’t as described. Closing out the episode is a great conversation about what transpired at Cryptid Con 2017 – a…

15 Credibility Street #24: Feeling out of this world

This shorter episode is heavy on the theme of “people really believe this stuff” and why that’s not something to scoff at. I (Sharon) am off to attend a cryptozoology event this weekend that might prove to be a bit weird. I also express some thoughts about the years worth of content on Doubtful News…

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Comment by Stephen on January 10, 2017 at 8:00am

Creationists Claim Beowulf Proves Humans and Dinosaurs Coexisted

Bad science: Creationists claim Beowulf is an “eyewitness account” of dinosaurs existing with humans.

The stupid, it burns.

Recently geologist Andrew Snelling, the Director of Research for Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, argued that Beowulf, the Old English epic poem that dates between the 8th and 11th centuries, is evidence of humans and dinosaurs interacting.

For the record, Beowulf is a work of fiction.

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Comment by Tom Sarbeck on October 12, 2016 at 8:12pm

...learn to be kind to each other?

Chris, I will paraphrase the Bard (from As You Like It?).

Some of us are born to being kind to each other.

Some of us learn to be kind to each other.

Some of us have learning to be kind to each other thrust upon us.

And some of us, none of the above.

Comment by Chris on October 12, 2016 at 7:31pm

Hopefully we'll learn from the cosmos.

Do you think it's possible for people to learn to be kind to each other?

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on October 12, 2016 at 6:47pm

Chris, this links to an item about redshift

That link is one of many by a retired professor of electric engineering, which I started college to study and astrophysicists do not study.

Comment by Chris on October 12, 2016 at 6:20pm

Tom Sarbeck

If you provide the links I'll read them.

Theoretical physicists may be seen as a modern day religious group.

We're still learning.

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on October 12, 2016 at 6:34am

Chris, I will explain more carefully.

The Bangers, having no evidence for an expanding universe or for anything else they claim, offer pseudo-science.

I rely on sources who do have evidence. If you want to look at it, I will give you some links to it. It will require you to examine a near-religious belief in what taxpayer-subsidized Bangers have been claiming for more than fifty years. When the subsidies stop, they will have to stop.

In short, Edwin Hubble carefully said IF red shift shows distance the universe is expanding. Note the IF.

Hubble further said that if redshift does not show distance we live in a universe that is not expanding.

Georges LeMaitre, a Catholic priest motivated by his desire to support the Church's Genesis story, ignored Hubble's further statement and deduced an expanding universe. Mathematical formulas followed and, by changing certain plus signs to minus signs, concluded that the universe was once very small.

Comment by Chris on October 12, 2016 at 5:22am

Are you sugesting that the universe is expanding and contracting simultaneously?

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on October 10, 2016 at 7:46am

The evidence shows the universe is expanding.

Edwin Hubble said some of red shift shows distance and more of it shows age. Georges LeMaitre ignored what Hubble said about its showing age.

Theoretical physicists are matheticians of secularism.

Theoretical physicists know little or nothing about space.

Evidence, Chris; evidence. The Bangers have NONE and pigs don't fly.

Your final three paragraphs are not relevant.

Comment by Chris on October 10, 2016 at 7:13am

The evidence shows the universe is expanding. Could it expand and contract without a singularity? Theoretical physicists are matheticians of secularism. As an atheist shouldn't it be okay to say we don't know yet?

Saying 'gawd's' books provide the answers is nonsense, though the ancients had more information than often given credit for.

Ancient Romans had dual pane windows, plywood and were able to pour concrete under water.

A dam I worked at was framed with planks. I asked a number of people about that and the common reply was that plywood hadn't been invented when the concrete was poured for the dam.

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on October 10, 2016 at 5:04am

When I do some thinking, which requires that I have some evidence, I am forced to conclude that the Big Bang has always been and now is unbelievable.

Further, being acquainted with the Big Bang's claims, such as the universe's ex nihilo origin, I suspect that it will forever remain unbelievable.


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