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An internet group about The Internet.

The internet is both a telecommunication medium and a culture. We have embraced it because of its immediacy, its pervasiveness and its usefulness.

Even though for most of us its workings is equivalent to magic and it's enough to know that it's very 'complicated and technical,' it has become an intricate part of our life.

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The Internet

This is a partial portrait of the Internet. Imagine that at the tip of each branch there is one or multiple human brains operating and that each one of these terminals can be instantly connected to any other, anywhere.

If we could map this image to the surface of the Earth it would make it even more obvious that this network of networks is like a new organ that has been grafted onto the biosphere.

Partial map of the Internet based on the January 15, 2005 data found on Each line is drawn between two nodes, representing two IP addresses. The length of the lines are indicative of the delay between those two nodes. This graph represents less than 30% of the Class C networks reachable by the data collection program in early 2005. Lines are color-coded according to their corresponding RFC 1918 allocation as follows:

Dark blue: net, ca, us
Green: com, org
Red: mil, gov, edu
Yellow: jp, cn, tw, au, de
Magenta: uk, it, pl, fr
Gold: br, kr, nl
White: unknown

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Discussion Forum

The NSA may have won a round but are losing the war!

Started by Davy. Last reply by Chris Oct 13, 2013. 1 Reply

THE CORE INTERNET INSTITUTIONS ABANDON THE US GOVERNMENTIn Montevideo, Uruguay this week, the Directors of all the major Internet organizations – ICANN, the Internet Engineering Task Force, the…Continue

Tags: China, internet, governance, Brazil, Russia

So you think the cloud is Safe?

Started by Davy. Last reply by Chris Sep 26, 2013. 12 Replies

In the digital age, your files and memories are not truly yours any more. They belong to the cloudKYLE GOODWIN wants his stuff back. One day, he decided to set up a company in Ohio to …Continue

Tags: data, storage, computing, Cloud


Started by doone. Last reply by Neal Sep 5, 2013. 2 Replies

ARE WE SMARTER YET? HOW COLLEGES ARE MISUSING THE INTERNETby Akim ReinhardtWe should all probably be a lot smarter…Continue


Wearable computers challenge human rights

Started by Davy Jul 24, 2013. 0 Replies

The thoughtless adoption of new technologies seduces us into providing more of our personal selves without any concerns for the protection of our personal data, argues Katina Michael an associate…Continue

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Comment by Chris on April 2, 2017 at 9:12am

OREDNET was forced to shut down ~ 2010 because of the ban of municipalities providing internet service.

Comment by Chris on April 2, 2017 at 9:05am

pt 1 of many of my many rants about terrible internet service.

The FCC must be one of the most corrupt organizations in the federal government. Certainly the chair of the FCC can’t be blamed for everything Congress does.

Michael Powell must have benifited the National Cable & Telecomunications trade association seeing he the presedint of the group now.

Michael Kevin Powell is an American former Republican chairman of the Federal Communications Commission and current president of the trade association the National Cable & Telecommunications Association. He was appointed to the Federal Communications Commission by President Bill Clinton on November 3, 1997. President George W. Bush designated him chairman of the commission on January 22, 2001. Powell is the son of former Secretary of State Colin Powell and his wife Alma Powell.

The more I read about the sale of ISP personal collection of personal data the more upset I become. In the early 1990's there were  real grass roots groups trying to make internet access the same as library access where communities could have their own internet access as part of library, or similar public service. I lived in a rural part of Oregon while the debate raged. The Oregon Economic Development  (OREDNET) a division of the State Government provided internet access to rural areas because commercial companies wouldn't spend the money to bring internet to rural areas.   Oregon had a gaming industry such as poker machines in bars, restaurants and what not. Business' and banks used the internet for credit and debit card transactions.  The quality of service from OREDNET was great. With an  OREDNET account a web page was available.  The price was reasonable and the service was great.

Across the country many rural areas didn't have internet access. Telecommunications companies wouldn't pay the investment cost to provide it so multaple rural counties and several large cities passed bond measures to have their municipality provide the service.  That effort was squashed with the 1996 telecommunications act. Multiple areas that began providing service were sued by telecommunications providers to stop which left them without any internect connection or timeline when telco's would provide the service.  The telco's basically said fuck you to communities they blocked from establishing municipal internet service while saying we may never provide service to your community.

Comment by Chris on April 2, 2017 at 8:44am

pt 2

January 3, 1995: Republicans gained control of both houses for the first time since 1954.

The 1996 Telecommunications Act from Wikipedia

The 1996 telecommunications act from

Federal Internet Law & Policy
An Educational Project

Democrats who like President Clinton should remember he signed NAFTA and CAFTA among other legislation.

All-Seeing EyeAlso on the show: Your internet might never explode like a poorly wired toaster, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t benefit from consumer-driven regulation. If you didn’t see it that way already, it became very clear this week, as the Senate and then the House voted to allow service providers like AT&T to collect your personal information—medical records, browsing history—and sell it to the highest bidder. How did this happen, and what can we do about it? We’ll talk about online privacy with Evan Greer, campaign director at

Fight for the Future  wich includes the link launching

 #GetSafe guide to help average internet users protect themselves on...

Digital rights group Fight for the Future has launched a new online resource called #GetSafe, a simple guide that helps average Internet users take the most important steps toward protecting the personal information stored on their phones, tablets, and computers.

The release of the new tool comes on the heels of Congress voting to slash Internet privacy rules and allow Internet Service Providers to collect and sell their customer’s information.

“This vote in Congress is just the latest attack on our basic right to privacy and our ability to use the Internet safely,” said Laila Abdelaziz, a campaigner at Fight for the Future, “many of us are already extremely vulnerable to corporate and government spying, hackers and identity thieves.”

Fortunately, there are simple things that everyone can and should be doing to protect themselves and their loved ones,” she continued, “we launched #GetSafe to make these practices easy and accessible to everyone, regardless of how technologically savvy they are.”

See the #GetSafe resource here:

The tool functions like an online quiz, asking the user a series of simple questions about their digital security habits, and making basic recommendations about how to set a strong password for your phone and computer, how to switch to free encrypted text messaging services, and how to run a Virtual Private Network (VPN) to make it much harder for your Internet service provider to spy on your web browsing activity.

The launch of the #GetSafe tool comes as Fight for the Future is already making headlines about plans to unleash billboards listing the names of lawmakers who voted to strike down the FCC’s Internet privacy rules. The group has also launched an online petition calling for President Trump to veto the measure.

More Here

Comment by Chris on April 2, 2017 at 5:56am

The POS Republicans inHouse of Representatives passed a law allowing ISP's to sell your browsing history.

Comment by Chris on February 28, 2017 at 4:02am

After complaining about Ning and my ISP connection for a long time an AT&T tech came over today and proved the internet was stable while my computer was intermittently able to connect. The previous times a tech came out while the computer was working okay. This computer is about six years old.

I’ll purchase a new computer in the next couple of days after researching what adapters are needed to hook up the peripherals. This is the fourth home computer I’ve had that ending with a component failure.

I wonder if hardened computers in cars will be any better. Imagine a self driving car with intermittent computer glitches. That doesn’t seem to be on the spectrum for approval.

Comment by Chris on February 26, 2017 at 5:20am

My internet connection is intermittant. No wonder Ning may give me moremore trouble than others. I attempted to post a 18K image of the sweep but received the 4000 character limit error.  Is an 8K image to large to post? Sometimes I can post images and other times I can't.

If it wasn't such a hassle to change email addresses I'd change my ISP to cable. If, or when I finally get tired of the intermittants with AT&T and change to cable maybe I should subscribe to a personal web account. 

A quick search revealed

Does anyone have suggestions for finding a webhosting service?

Comment by Chris on January 30, 2017 at 4:41am

One of Trump's First Moves--The End Of "An Open Internet"

Say goodbye to an “Open Internet.” Say hello to “slow and fast lanes”  where the quality and responsiveness of websites you click on will be subject to the whims of your warm-hearted Internet Service provider. And if they don’t agree that the sites you like to visit are “worthy,” you’ll have to pay more to access them in any reasonable manner.

Trump has tapped net neutrality foe Ajit Pai to become Chairman of the FCC, the agency responsible for  enforcing and promulgating rules that assure an open Internet. His appointment, like many Federal appointments, will not require initial Senate approval (although he will need to be reconfirmed by the Republican-dominated Senate in 2017).

Why is this important? Because as head of the FCC, that agency will now be dominated by officials  opposed to the idea of an “open Internet:”

Net neutrality is the idea that your Internet provider must treat all Web traffic equally. A court decision in January struck down FCC rules meant to ensure that Internet providers do not discriminate by blocking or slowing certain content.

That decision opened the door for Internet providers like Comcast and Verizon to cut deals with content providers, which would pay to stream their content in an Internet “fast lane.”

More Here

Comment by Chris on January 25, 2017 at 5:04am

With a father Colin who went before the U.N. to present (WMD) Weapons of Mass Distruction in Iraq is there a wonder that Michale knows what truth, honesty, and character is?

"..."Arrogant" is the adjective used most often in any discussion of Powell and the way he pushes his personal agenda, an extension of the fanatical deregulation that gathered steam under Ronald Reagan's FCC chairman, a reckless loudmouth named Mark Fowler. Basically the theology is this: Commercial interests come first, second and third among priorities, and "the public interest, convenience and necessity," which the FCC is mandated to uphold, straggles in a distant fourth. Powell is much better tailored and milder mannered than Fowler but equally stubborn and self-adoring

He seems never to have met a media merger he didn't like, which will result in the virtual death of local television and radio in America as station after station is sucked up into one enormous unfeeling conglomerate or another. Powell scorns the pleas of public-minded groups that try to meet with him, critics say, but will rush off eagerly to any luncheon, dinner or cocktail party sponsored by big corporate powers.

When criticized heavily for this during the uproar over Powell's attempts to jettison the rules against media concentration (rules designed to promote diversity in American broadcasting and keep one company from acquiring too much media power, as Fox has now), Powell grudgingly and belatedly scheduled a series of public forums on the matter. "But he skipped half the public hearings he authorized," laments one of his many detractors. Another characterizes him thus: "He's an elitist, he's arrogant, he's inaccessible, and he's incredibly vain about his own ideas." Critics consider him so egotistical that he will not listen or give any credence to the arguments of others. He has a master plan in his head for what American broadcasting should be. It really can be summed up in those four infamously immortal words, "The public be damned...."

"...Powell belongs at the bottom of the barrel with the lowliest of the bunch. He is an agenda masquerading as a man, the proverbial pompous ass and, worse, a genuine threat to freedom of speech. But on CNBC, he was playing Santa Claus. "I am still having fun," he said merrily, as if that were part of the job. "There are still things that are really significantly important to me to complete. Right now, I just have no plans of going anywhere..."

Comment by Chris on January 25, 2017 at 4:48am

Ajit Pai seems even worse than Michael Powell

Comment by Chris on January 25, 2017 at 4:42am

I think the internet should be a public service like a library. In the 1990's there were movements to push this. They failed under pressure from telecommunications companies even in small towns were telco's said they wouldn't provide service because it isn't financially benificial.

Ajit Pai, Donald Trump’s FCC Pick, Hates Net Neutrality

When the FCC voted to uphold the policy that requires internet service providers to treat all data equally, Ajit Pai dissented—and now Trump has made him head of the agency.

President Trump’s pick for chairman of the Federal Communications Commission is a sworn enemy of the free internet.

Ajit Pai, whom Trump designated as FCC chairman on Monday, is vocal opponent of net neutrality, a policy that requires internet service providers to treat all data equally. The policy, championed by outgoing FCC head Tom Wheeler, is a key cause for internet activists and consumer watchdogs but has enemies among telecommunications companies. And Pai, a former attorney for Verizon who campaigned against caps on rate hikes for prison phones, has already promised to take a “weed whacker” to net neutrality under Trump.

Pai, a senior official in Wheeler’s Democrat-dominated FCC, outlined his vision for the new FCC in a December speech. The Republican-run department “need[s] to remove outdated and unnecessary regulations,” he said in a speech to the conservative Free State Foundation. “We need to fire up the weed whacker and remove those rules that are holding back investment, innovation, and job creation.”

Bold claims about “innovation” and “job creation” are common cries from net neutrality opponents. But telecommunications companies are almost always the beneficiaries of the anti-neutrality innuendo.

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FCC Chairman Ajit Pai


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