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Comment by Hope on April 29, 2011 at 10:15am

The Bible's Many Contradicting Voices, yea that's what make it complicated..

Christianity is very complicated!

Comment by Doone on April 24, 2011 at 9:20pm
  • 24 Apr 2011 07:35 PM

The Bible's Many Contradicting Voices

Timothy Beal lends an ear:

Given how many hands have been involved in so many contexts over such a long time in the history of this literature, can we honestly imagine that no one noticed such glaring discrepancies? ... That Gospel mix-ups concerning who saw what after Jesus's resurrection would have been left to stand? That Judas would have died twice, once by suicide and once by divine disgorge? And so on. Could all those many, many people involved in the development of biblical literature and the canon of Scriptures have been so blind, so stupid? It's modern arrogance to imagine so.

The Bible canonizes contradiction. It holds together a tense diversity of perspectives and voices, difference and argument—even, and especially, when it comes to the profoundest questions of faith, questions that inevitably outlive all their answers. The Bible interprets itself, argues with itself, and perpetually frustrates any desire to reduce it to univocality.

I'm not sure this can be deduced from a single authorial intent, because there is no single human author. If there is a Divine author, then humans will doubtless get things wrong. Moreover, we know this now for a fact. Biblical scholarship has now irrefutably shown the human forces, mistakes, politics and varying memories and interpretations that gave us the Gospels' account of the life of Jesus. It has also revealed to us many contemporaneous Gospels, of varying punch and power. We cannot pretend any more that there is one book which is inerrant and remain respectful of the Bible's deeper truths. We cannot pretend that, in the sense of nineteenth century history or twentieth centure science, Jesus is not, at some point, a mystery.

Does this mean the Bible is junk? Far from it. Does it mean we have to reject its Divine inspiration? Of course not. We just have to see it as a human document trying to convey truths and mysteries that are necessarily beyond our understanding. So the varying accounts of the Crucixion and Resurrection do not disprove either - but rather invite us to ponder the mysteries and nuances of both. Reading the Gospels in a literalist and empirical fashion is to mistake the form and the content. It is a category error, an ignoratio elenchi

Comment by Doone on April 24, 2011 at 5:31pm
Hey, maybe that will be the death of Christianity - eventually the restrictions on who can call themselves Christian will shrink the "real" Christian population down to a negligible amount of people.
Comment by Doone on April 24, 2011 at 5:29pm

Rev. Franklin Graham a birther?

Rev. Franklin Graham wonders: Why can't Barack Obama produce a birth certificate?

The son of the legendary evangelist Billy Graham told Christiane Amanpour on ABC's "This Week" that the president "has some issues to deal with" when it comes to proving he is indeed an American.

"He can solve this whole birth certificate issue pretty quickly," Graham said in an interview aired Sunday. "I was born in a hospital in Asheville, N.C. And I know that my records are there; You can probably go and find out what room my mother was in when I was born. I don’t know why he can't produce that. It's an issue it looks like he can answer pretty quickly."

Graham, who has prayed with Obama, said the president has told him that he's a Christian, but allowed that "there are many people that do wonder where he really stands on" his religion.

"But the debate comes…what is a Christian?" Graham said. "For him, going to church means that he’s a Christian. But for me, the definition of a Christian is whether we have given our life to Christ, and are following him in faith. And we have trusted him as our lord and savior. That s the definition of a Christian."

"It’s not as to what church you’re a member, a membership doesn’t make you a Christian," Graham said.

Comment by Doone on April 24, 2011 at 6:56am

From Epiphenom  - the effect of Heaven and Hell

 

Their point is that believing in a punishing god is actually very stress-inducing. An earlier study found that reminders of God make Christians less fearful of death - but make Muslims more fearful! That was mainly because, unlike the Christians, they had solid belief in hell. Back then I commented that:

The function of Hell is to reinforce social order by threatening punishment to wrongdoers who can't be brought to justice by normal societal mechanisms. As a strategy, it's not terribly successful. Medieval Europe is not renowned as an era of peace, justice and harmony.

But perhaps in the absence of more effective social controls, promoting fear of hell is better than nothing. When better social controls are invented – such as in modern Europe – Hell is no longer needed.

If Hell is no longer needed in modern Europe, then Heaven still is. People still die, and our basic, evolved instincts make us all fear of death. The prospect of heaven can reduce that fear – but only if you abandon the inconvenient concept of hell.

As a result, modern Christianity, reacting to market demand, quietly drops the concept of hell, but retains the concept of heaven.
The feel-good version of religion, like atheism, is what you get when you remove danger and threat from people's lives.

Comment by Hope on April 22, 2011 at 9:12am

Psych Evidence that Supports New Atheism

great article, I'll keep it as a reference.

Comment by Doone on April 21, 2011 at 10:16pm

This is better explained by Chris Mooney

Psych Evidence that Supports New Atheism

 

by Chris Mooney

In general, I believe what we know about human psychology runs contrary to the New Atheist approach and strategy. However, I do my best to follow the data, and here’s a study that suggest at least one aspect of their approach may work. The tactic finding support here is not necessarily being confrontational–that would tend to prompt negative emotional reactions, and thus defensiveness and inflexibility towards New Atheist arguments–but rather, making it more widely known that you’re actually there–as “out” atheists try to do:

Although prejudice is typically positively related to relative outgroup size, four studies found converging evidence that perceived atheist prevalence reduces anti-atheist prejudice. Study 1 demonstrated that anti-atheist prejudice among religious believers is reduced in countries in which atheists are especially prevalent. Study 2 demonstrated that perceived atheist prevalence is negatively associated with anti-atheist prejudice. Study 3 demonstrated a causal relationship: Reminders of atheist prevalence reduced explicit distrust of atheists. These results appeared distinct from intergroup contact effects. Study 4 demonstrated that prevalence information decreased implicit atheist distrust. The latter two experiments provide the first evidence that mere prevalence information can reduce prejudice against any outgroup. These findings offer insights about anti-atheist prejudice, a poorly understood phenomenon. Furthermore, they suggest both novel directions for future prejudice research and potential interventions that could reduce a variety of prejudices.

Full study here.

Comment by Doone on April 21, 2011 at 10:15pm


Finding the Faithless:  Perceived Atheist Prevalence Reduces Anti-Atheist PrejudiceWill M. Gervais1AbstractAlthough prejudice is typically positively related to relative outgroup size, four studies found converging evidence that perceived atheist prevalence reduces anti-atheist prejudice. Study 1 demonstrated that anti-atheist prejudice among religious believers is reduced in countries in which atheists are especially prevalent. Study 2 demonstrated that perceived atheist prevalence is negatively associated with anti-atheist prejudice. Study 3 demonstrated a causal relationship: Reminders of atheist prevalence reduced explicit distrust of atheists. These results appeared distinct from intergroup contact effects. Study 4 demonstrated that prevalence information decreased implicit atheist distrust. The latter two experiments provide the first evidence that mere prevalence information can reduce prejudice against any outgroup. These findings offer insights about anti-atheist prejudice, a poorly understood phenomenon. Furthermore, they suggest both novel directions for future prejudice research and potential interventions that could reduce a variety of prejudices

 

http://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~will/Gervais_Finding%20the%20faithless.pdf

Comment by Doone on April 20, 2011 at 10:51am

THE BIBLE IS DEAD; LONG LIVE THE BIBLE

Photo_11595_landscape_largeTimothy Beal in The Chronicle:

When it comes to the Bible, many feel there is a single right meaning—the one its divine author intended. "Well, what does the Bible say?" "The Bible is very clear about that." This is part of the iconicity of the Bible in contemporary society, the idea of it as the one and only divinely authored and guaranteed book of answers, with one answer per question. No more, no less.

For many potential Bible readers, that expectation that the Bible is univocal is paralyzing. You notice what seem to be contradictions or tensions between different voices in the text. You can't find an obvious way to reconcile them. You figure that it must be your problem. You don't know how to read it correctly, or you're missing something. If the Bible is God's perfect, infallible Word, then any misunderstanding or ambiguity must be the result of our own depravity. So you either give up or let someone holier than thou tell you "what it really says." I think that's tragic. You're letting someone else impoverish it for you, when in fact you have just brushed up against the rich polyvocality of biblical literature.

The Bible is anything but univocal about anything. It is a cacopho­ny of voices and perspectives, often in conflict with one another. In many ways, those dedicated to removing all potential biblical contradictions, to making the Bible entirely consistent with itself, are no different from irreligious debunkers of the Bible, Christianity, and religion in general. Many from both camps seem to believe that simply demonstrating that the Bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions is enough to discredit any religious tradition that embraces it as Scripture.

Bible debunkers and Bible defenders are kindred spirits. They agree that the Bible is on trial.

Comment by Neal on April 18, 2011 at 1:32pm

That will never fly. If it does, they should make it legal to slap a theist when spouting nonsense at your family, friends or you.

 

Almost relates to the religious civil liberty blog, bullshit. They want freedom of speech for them, not you.

 
 
 

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