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Bahraini Intellectual Describes the Problems in the Muslim World

Started by Stephen. Last reply by Chris Dec 23, 2018. 8 Replies

Bahraini Intellectual Describes the Problems in the Muslim World  Men like this give me hope for the Middle East.Continue

Chris Cuomo Schools Catholic League's Bill Donohue

Started by Neal. Last reply by Mike Lansing Apr 9, 2018. 1 Reply

Bill Donohue speaks to CNNCatholic League President Bill Donohue got a course on modern marriage from CNN host Chris Cuomo on Thursday after…Continue

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From Buzzfeed - Things Atheist Guys Love

Started by Doone. Last reply by Chris Feb 3, 2018. 3 Replies

Things Atheist Guys LoveThey may not believe in God, but they sure care about karma.posted on July 16, 2013 at 10:03am EDTKatie…Continue

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Waiting for the Rapture

Started by Neal. Last reply by Chris Jun 2, 2017. 8 Replies

Welcome to the CrazyIn Texas there's a case going to the Supreme court about parents homeschooling their children, yet really aren't teaching…Continue

Tags: religion, atheist, universe, homeschooling, education

Saudi Muslim cleric claims the Earth is 'stationary' and the sun rotates around it

Started by Neal. Last reply by Stephen Jun 2, 2016. 40 Replies

Yes, religion does have all the answers. Saudi Arabian cleric has claimed that the Earth does not orbit the sun and is in fact stationary,…Continue

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Another decade, same old song.

Started by Neal Mar 30, 2015. 0 Replies

A decade or so ago, Judge Moore's ten commandments monument went on tour across the U.S. When it made it's way to Lansing, MI, I went to protest the monument sitting on the state capital grounds. There I ran into a fine christian man and his son who…Continue

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400 men cut their testicles off believing it would help them meet God.

Started by Neal. Last reply by Chris Mar 1, 2015. 3 Replies

Hell, this might be even better than the stationary earth dude. Cutting off your balls should be an action that all religious men partake in. …Continue

Tags: to, get, closer, god, testicles

Foundational Worldview Questions

Started by Brennan Bowman. Last reply by Chris Sep 24, 2014. 40 Replies

Hi everyone. i am working on project for a class and for it I am asking some questions on worldviews. If you are willing I would really appreciate it if you would answer these questions for me.1.What is actually reality? What is really real?2.What…Continue

How is this for the stupidity of Interpretation of an Old Book!

Started by Davy. Last reply by Suzanna Apr 1, 2014. 4 Replies

Council of Islam in Pakistan has declared that mere existence of women is against sharia and the will of their sky fairy! Read the full report in the following link.…Continue

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Creationist Version Of Neanderthal Human Interbreeding

Started by Davy. Last reply by Chris Mar 20, 2014. 10 Replies

Creationist Version Of Neanderthal Human Interbreedingvia The Panda's Thumb..Had to put this up. Apparently creationists have their own take on the recent findings that…Continue

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Comment by Chris on November 21, 2018 at 2:12am

In the previous link a paragraph has

"...The Supreme Court must decide whether it even wants to sort out this set of issues, although some Justices have seemed eager in recent years for an opportunity to sort out the speech-religion connection. In addition to the Summum case two years ago, the Court has wrestled with public displays of the Ten Commandments, upholding one on the state capitol grounds in Texas in 2005 while at the same time invalidating another in a Kentucky courthouse. They have considered displays of Christmas crèches, Hanukah candles and more. And just a year ago, the Court decided a case that involved the display of a private cross on federal land in the Mojave National Preserve in California to honor World War I soldiers killed in action. The Court’s ruling in Salazar v. Buono did not directly decide the validity of the cross, considering instead a federal land swap that effectively placed the cross on private land...."

That's what happened where I lived with the cross on the plateau.

Comment by Chris on November 21, 2018 at 2:05am

I'm going to get in trouble for editing after an original post.

Davenport v. American Atheists, Inc.

What is the appropriate test for evaluating whether a passive display with religious imagery violates the Establishment Clause; (2) whether this Court should set aside the endorsement test in favor of the coercion test; and (3) whether a memorial cross placed on state land by a private organization to commemorate fallen state troopers is an unconstitutional establishment of religion.

I was friends with some Utah Atheists when the following case occured.

Free Speech and religious freedom intersect in case of Utah crosses.

SCOTUS for law students: Free speech and religious freedom intersec...

Sometimes, it seems, a case may confound the Supreme Court:  should it grant certiorari to hear oral argument and decide the question presented by the case, should it deny review even though the case presents important questions, should it rule summarily, without hearing oral arguments, or should it instead hold the case for a related one?

That may be what is happening with the petitions for certiorari in Utah Highway Patrol Association v. American Atheists (No. 10-1276) and Davenport v. American Atheists (No. 10-1297). As last week’s discussion on the Community – a forum where everyone, including law students, can join in the give and take about important Supreme Court topics – reflects, the petitions raise interesting and pressing questions about the separation of church and state and when expression may be considered government-sponsored.

Comment by Chris on November 21, 2018 at 1:55am

Davenport v. American Atheists, Inc.

October 31, 2011

Docket No. Op. Below Argument Opinion Vote Author Term
10-1297 10th Cir. N/A N/A N/A N/A OT 2011

Issue: (1) What is the appropriate test for evaluating whether a passive display with religious imagery violates the Establishment Clause; (2) whether this Court should set aside the endorsement test in favor of the coercion test; and (3) whether a memorial cross placed on state land by a private organization to commemorate fallen state troopers is an unconstitutional establishment of religion.

SCOTUSblog Coverage

Briefs and Documents

Certiorari-stage documents

Comment by Chris on November 21, 2018 at 1:29am


I Didn't read the case, only the Freedom from Religion Foundation article which may have been written with the title to bring other secularists to study and pay attention to it. 

Perhaps there needs to be more case law and president at lower courts before it's ready for the supremes. 

I've read other articles about such cases such as a couple of the following.  Of course there are more.




SAN DIEGO--After nearly a decade and reviews by more than 30 federal judges, the County of San Diego has finally conceded defeat in its effort to mount a Christian cross in a public park, the American Civil Liberties Union of San Diego and Imperial Counties said today....

The ACLU's previous release on the case can be found at /news/n092898a.html.

The Taos New Mexico case is another one. Taos Plaza war memorial cross resurrects church-state debate

Posted Friday, March 24, 2017 7:45 am

The towering bronze cross on Taos Plaza that was erected 57 years ago as a memorial to Bataan Death March veterans has ignited a fierce defense after members of a Wisconsin-based group asked the town of Taos to remove it because of what they perceive to be an unconstitutional establishment of religion.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation objects to the cross, saying that no matter the intent, its presence on public land means it is a blatant endorsement of Christianity.
But local elected officials are standing behind veterans, vowing to fight tooth and nail to keep the cross on the Plaza, bringing to light questions of whether or not a war memorial in the form of a cross can ever have a secular meaning and what the symbol means to veterans, Taoseños and the local culture....

More above.

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on November 20, 2018 at 2:47am

Chris, about the Pensacola cross win stand.

By now you probably figured out that it’s lawyer-talk for asking the Supreme Court to let the lower court’s decision stand.

Comment by Stephen on November 19, 2018 at 11:58pm

A Secular Bangladeshi Blogger Fights for His Life 

While the murder of Jamal Khashoggi brought more attention to Saudi Arabia, it’s not the only country where writers are in danger. Secular humanist bloggers in Bangladesh are often murdered by radical religious extremists simply for promoting secular humanist values online. One such blogger currently fighting for his life is Md. Sazzadul Hoque, a 21-year-old man who was forced to flee to India due to threats against his life. “I now fear for my life,” he recently told The Times of India. “I could also be killed in India by fundamentalists who support the goings on in Bangladesh… I have nowhere to go.”
Raised in a conservative Muslim household, Hoque began questioning his religious beliefs and started blogging about secular humanism in 2016. A year later on Facebook, he publicly announced his atheism, and while the post went viral, his account was suspended and sparked countless death threats. “People who were my best friends are my worst enemies now,” Hoque told the Times of India, “and would turn me over to the fundamentalists at any time.” He tried to seek shelter in Bangladesh, but to no avail. After getting kicked out of college, he fled to India with a tourist visa in May of 2017. As he recently told the Press Trust of India (PTI), “Even now, I keep receiving threats on Facebook, but the situation here is not as fearful as it is in my country.”
Technically there are no blasphemy laws in Bangladesh, but there’s the Information and Communication Technology (ICT) Act. According to Section 57 of the ICT Act, “If any person deliberately publishes or transmits or causes to be published or transmitted in the website or in any other electronic form any material which... causes to hurt or may hurt religious belief or instigate against any person or organization, then this activity will be regarded as an offense.”
“Basically,” Hoque explained in a recent blog post for the Center for Inquiry (CFI), “if any person criticizes the government and/or religious fundamentalists in Bangladesh, he or she is arrested through often unconstitutional means, locked up without bail, and then charged. If found guilty, the punishments often exceed the ones seen during British colonial rule.” Or in Hoque’s case, many fundamentalists in Bangladesh are happy to skip due process and go straight to execution.
Hoque is receiving some support now. According to a recent interview for Conatus News, he’s currently working with both the CFI and Humane First to help him out, and he refuses to quit blogging. I contacted him to see if anything else can be done. Hoque replied that he hopes people will share his story as much as they can to help him find permanent safe shelter.
While President Trump’s attacks on the press is creating a hostile environment for journalists here in the USA, it’s important to remember that it’s worse in other parts of the world. I hope Hoque’s story will remind us all about the importance of free speech around the world, and to never take it for granted

Comment by Chris on November 19, 2018 at 7:09pm

What's wrong with the FFRF title?

The district court sided with the national secular organizations in a June 2017 decision, ordering the removal of the city’s massive Christian cross.

Freethinkers ask U.S. Supreme Court to let Pensacola cross win stand

What a terrible title. Of course it was intentional - What's the purpose?  The title makes it appear that they lost and the cross will stand.

Comment by Chris on November 19, 2018 at 7:02pm

There is a plateau near a town I lived.  It was sacred to the local Umatilla indian tribe.  It was owned by the county and city in some sort of joint ownership, or agreement.  Somehow a private owner had some control over it.  Upon the death of the owner the land was given to the local city.   In amongst that, apparently the 'owner belonged to some sort of xtian denomination that had political power in the local community.

Even though all the land was turned over to the local government the city manager rejected some of it in cohorts with a  local church to keep a pathway to the top of the plateau where a cross was built that stood above the entire area.  It had numerous lights on it.

Myself and other atheists complained to the city manager about it - there was nothing we could do.  It would have been interesting if with the backing of FFRF, or another group if we could have fought that. 

That area was polluted with treaties and agreements between the Umatilla indians, state, city, rail roads, and apparently church groups.

Comment by Mrs.B on November 19, 2018 at 6:59pm

Oh those ridiculous crosses.

Comment by Stephen on November 19, 2018 at 6:29pm

Freethinkers ask U.S. Supreme Court to let Pensacola cross win stand


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