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A place to discuss anything that has to do with the "Greening" of our planet.

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Latest Activity: Nov 4, 2013

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NEWS FLASH>> Breaking: State Department Supports Keystone XL Pipeline

Started by Sydni Moser. Last reply by Neal Jun 20, 2013. 4 Replies

 The US State Department’s final Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) on the proposed Keystone XL pipeline has been released. The State Department “does not regard the No Action Alternative to be preferable to the proposed Project.” On Day 7 of the White House Sit-in, an estimated…Continue

How a Country With One of the World's Largest Economies Is Ditching Fossil Fuels

Started by Neal. Last reply by Michel Apr 21, 2013. 16 Replies

As the U.S., and apparently Canada, moves into being a major supplier of death fuels, some countries are going in a different direction. America doesn't lead anymore, because our government is full of conservative christian dipshits.The country is headed for 80 percent renewable energy and has complete buy-in from all political parties.December 19, 2012 |…Continue

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LED Light Bulbs Are Increasingly Cheaper, Greener And Controllable

Started by Neal. Last reply by Chris Apr 17, 2013. 3 Replies

I think I need some of these. =)By Katie Valentine on Mar 25, 2013 at 3:51 pmLED light bulbs are the longest-lasting and most efficient mass-produced light sources to date. And now, they’re also among the most affordable, with some costing less than $10 per bulb — a drastic drop compared to their recent $50 price tag.They’ll also do…Continue

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Murders of Eco Activists on the Rise

Started by A Former Member Apr 3, 2013. 0 Replies

As natural resources around the world grow scarce, environmental activists in countries like Brazil, Cambodia and the Philippines face increasing threats. UK journalist Fred Pearce joins host Steve Curwood to discuss how this past year may have been the worst ever for violence against environmentalists.CURWOOD: It’s Living on Earth, I'm Steve Curwood. On February 17, upwards of 50,000 people marched on the White House to protest the Keystone XL pipeline. There were several arrests, but the…Continue

Tags: exploitation, murder, homicide, environmentalists, environmentalism

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Comment by Neal on April 21, 2013 at 1:53pm

Cities need to be built up, not out, to maintain the population. I like the idea of "green" areas enforced to make that happen.

Comment by Michel on April 21, 2013 at 12:46pm

Lester, my point was that by just concentrating on the material, using our animal empathy and human reason, we might be able to achieve a better balance with our environment. 

I don't think there's any going back to small human collectives living harmoniously with nature. Certainly not at a significant scale. Our problem is modern: cities, megalopolises, and their support industries. It is a very material problem, with a scope so wide only collective reason can solve.

There is only one world - the one we find ourselves in.

Comment by Lester Unega Waya on April 21, 2013 at 11:58am

Michel.

Re;

"there's no separation between what you call the spiritual and material worlds."

You are correct. In the Bible it is stated that as it is on Earth so it is in the Heavens, (worlds invisible to the naked eye).

The problem is that there are those who neglect the spiritual and just focus on the material. Hence the climate issue which is Nature reacting to exploitation to the detriment of conservation.

With the deforestation of the rainforests, Nature is saying, "you want drought and deserts, you shall have drought and deserts".

Exploitation harmoneously merged with conservation is connecting with both worlds.

Comment by Michel on April 21, 2013 at 11:29am

@Lester - You are absolutely right!

Except for one thing with which I disagree: there's no separation between what you call the spiritual and material worlds. There's the natural world - in which, under certain conditions, awareness arises. But that's another topic =)

The next big step we humans need to accomplish, now that we've realized our true impact on the world, is to use our basic solidarity instinct to correct our behavior. By extending our peerdom beyond its usual frontier, to incorporate the whole planet, we'll make the issue of impending global doom more personal for more people.

Comment by Lester Unega Waya on April 21, 2013 at 11:28am

Don.

Spirituality is connectiveness with Nature or put another way, motion invisible to the naked eye.ie, thoughts that come to mind is invisible motion.

Spirit comes from the greek "Spiritos" meaning "breath" which is air in motion.

All in Nature is in constant motion.

Comment by Don on April 21, 2013 at 11:09am

What do you mean by a "spiritual world," Lester? 

Comment by Lester Unega Waya on April 21, 2013 at 11:01am

Nevertheless, the spiritual and material worlds must come together and interconnect; for they are two sides of the same coin. Thus, spiritual values and principles have to be grounded and applied to life in all its various aspects. After all, the great humanitarian and welfare movements, and those many individuals and organisations that continue to work to alleviate human suffering, have their roots in higher values and the sacrifice of self-interest. Now, the environmental crisis is providing an added impetus towards more altruistic behaviour and is forcing humanity to think imaginatively of ways to live more in harmony with the planet. The many individuals and groups whose motives are founded on a spirit of mutual co-operation and responsibility-in-action are living testament to the finer values that underpin true democracy. It is challenging to consider that in a time of high intellectual achievement, the next step ahead for humanity is to become more receptive to those higher values that will enlighten the material world.

http://www.lucistrust.org/en/layout/set/print/service_activities/wo...

Comment by A Former Member on April 21, 2013 at 10:01am

I agree Davy. Becker is often too Freudian in my unqualified opinion, but sometimes he hits the nail on his head. His legacy is probably more important than his actual works, as many of the ideas he put forth have likely been updated and modernized.

From Wiki: 

In the 1960s, Becker and Thomas Szasz were part of a challenge to the pretensions of psychiatry as a science and themental health system as a successful humanitarian enterprise. Their writings, along with articles in the journal The Radical Therapist, were given the umbrella label anti-psychiatry. This critical literature, with an associated activist movement, "emphasized the hegemony of medical model psychiatry, its spurious sources of authority, its mystification of human problems, and the more oppressive practices of the mental health system, such as involuntary hospitalisation, drugging, and electroshock".[2]

Becker came to the position that psychological inquiry inevitably comes to a dead end beyond which belief systems must be invoked to satisfy the human psyche. The reach of such a perspective consequently encompasses science and religion, even to what Sam Keen suggests is Becker's greatest achievement, the creation of the "science of evil". In formulating his theories Becker drew on the work of Søren KierkegaardSigmund FreudWilhelm ReichNorman O. BrownErich Fromm,Hegel, and especially Otto Rank. Becker came to believe that individuals' characters are essentially formed around the process of denying their own mortality, that this denial is necessary for us to function in the world, and that this character-armor prevents genuine self-knowledge. Much of the evil in the world, he believed, was a consequence of this need to deny death.

Becker also wrote The Birth and Death of Meaning, which gets its title from the concept of humankind moving away from the simple-minded ape into a world of symbols and illusions, and then deconstructing those illusions through our own evolving intellect.

Also see: http://www.ernestbecker.org/

Comment by Don on April 21, 2013 at 9:50am

Yeah, but without the "so to speak" part. The metaphor stands on its own.

Comment by Davy on April 21, 2013 at 8:31am

A well stated quote Dallas!

 
 
 

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