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We are a worldwide social network of freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and secular humanists.

It is with a heavy heart and great sadness that I question every action I have taken to help the planet, and, there by humanity, and the animals I have shared this planet with. Like many of you I have taken many steps in my life to protect our home. I became vegan 22 years ago, and was a vegetarian the previous 37 years. I rode bicycle every chance I got instead of driving a car, I got into solar cooking to use the suns energy instead of the carbon industries fuels. Of course I recycled. The list goes on, and on of things my family, and I did to be part of a green movement to help save our environment, and the animals we share this planet with.

A few years ago I learned that all I, and others had done was in vein. That civilization in it self was a heat engine. For humanity to have saved us from this 6th extinction we have now entered, we would have had to make the change from carbon fuels 50 or 60 years ago.

I could go into all the details behind what I am saying but I would rather you watch the video I will include a link to.

The conclusion is that our time on this planet is probably very short. I mean we could see the collapse of human civilization with in our life time. Possibly as short as 10 to 20 years. Humanity has thrown the switch that has now led to abrupt runaway climate change. That has set into motion many self reinforcing feed back loops within the environment that are now the real threat to life as we know it on this planet.

I still get up each day and put into practice all the green aspects of my life, but no longer expect the out come we had all hoped for. It has been a great emotional turmoil in my existence to learn of these scientific facts, and events that are now taking place. I am trying to deal with this knowledge as best as I can but it really has changed my whole perspective on life. Things that used to seem so important now just seem silly, and trivial. I realize as the planets weather changes at a rate beyond the ability of plants, and animals to evolve, our habitat will no longer provide the necessary food supplies to feed the worlds population. This will, and is creating great social upheaval, and economic pressures that will lead to even further wars, strife, and destruction.

I am not really sure how to deal with all of this, but I think talking about it openly, and honestly is maybe the first start at coming to terms with this reality. As atheists I feel as if at least I can talk openly about this without wild myths, and deniers entering into the conversation with their subjective dogmas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmifJIbD6ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmifJIbD6o

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I loath to say that you shouldn't be so pessimistic, i know we are in all sorts of trouble, but i have (and its strange coming from an Atheist) faith in Humanity to come up with an answer to our problems. Personal responsibility for our own Eco footstep's is a righteous thing and should be carried on with, but the main thing is to carry on fighting and protesting against the pollution of our environment. The best thing we must continue to do is to join and campaign in your Political Party, Trade Union, and protest groups.

but anyway Dennis its an important subject and must be aired as much as possible. Thanks for the post.

Stephen.   

I know I may sound very pessimistic but I think of my self as a realist. An optimist sees the glass half full, a pessimist sees the glass half empty. A realist researches and tests to find out what the substance is in the glass.

I honestly think joining a political party is equal to spitting in to the wind. There is no political viable solution to climate change now or 50 years ago when it could have made a difference. No politician or party could win on a platform of we need to shut down civilization (our economy) in order to save the planet. Politics is only driven by self interest, and ego. As it turns out politics is no way to govern and is greatly at fault for our situation. The only viable solution would have been to institute the scientific method into all our decision making processes where benefits to the planet and humanity would have taken precedence over greed. That cannot happen under our current form of governing. Capitalism by definition defies the laws of physics.

I can understand your optimism, and faith in humanity for a scenario that is nearly this unthinkable. Then again 95% of life on this planet has already gone extinct. Why should we think humans would be excluded. I have had to take the approach of making the most of my life. I no longer take it for granted. I celebrate and enjoy life even more now realizing that we are at the precipice of our own demise. As Dr. Guy Mcpherson put it. We get to dye, but that means we are alive.

All my life I have been involved with visual art in some form or another. I have always appreciated music but never took the time to learn to play a musical instrument. That has changed in the last year. Instead of wasting time watching mind numbing television I have put that time into practice. I never plan on playing professionally but just for enjoyment. It has been very rewarding. I also have taken much more time to spend time with my love ones.

It is a strange paradox to think that all we have done in our lives will leave no positive trace for future generations. As a young man I constantly strove to do something in my life that would have left a positive mark on humanity. I must admit that many of the positive ideas and suggestions I had to offer to humanity were rejected by a social order based in self interests instead of looking at the big picture.

Hindsight being 20/20 we all know that if we had instituted green technologies, and renewables back in the early seventies things might have turned out very differently. We were certainly warned about green house gases and their dangers long before that.

Humanity has been very short sighted to say the least, and even as events are unfolding before our eyes a majority chooses not to see the evidence of our own self destructive nature. So how could democracy possible work when the majority would rather have faith, than face facts. The facts being that we have greatly altered the chemistry of our atmosphere and oceans in a way that is humanly impossible to reverse. No one knows exactly how this will play out or what the exact time scale will be. What we do know is that we have already lost 30 to 50,000 species and we have discovered 49 self reinforcing feed back loops that are that are altering our world in a way were humans have never existed before.

Thanks,  I had not seen this before.  The date certainly shows we have known we were in trouble for a quite a while.

Dennis i have no doubt that the Human race could eventually become extinct, but through a process of evolution not self destruction, i refuse to believe that it is to late to turn things around. The process of human evolution could just as well improve the lot of mankind, i might be deluded and blind but i refuse to believe its all up bar the shouting.

But Dennis thanks for enlivening the debate with your views.

This should be the whole of Genesis, not the last chapter

Nero plays as Rome Burns.

Until the underlying porblem of overpopulating is controlled there is no hope stoping runaway climate change.

Carbon money controls the world. Sadly there are alternative energy sources immediately available to stop carbon pollution. There is no political will to change to clean energy.

Totally agree.  There were many solutions to these problems but it was always a small minority that were interested in solving our problems but  they always faced the big money and capitalism.

Finally got this, listening right now. Thanks for the post.

Steve Cutts is bleak but very telling and in some places funny

Great video

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