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Evolution Defenders

A group for Secularists, Agnostics, Atheists, etc... who believe we should keep the poison of creationism and Intelligent Design OUT of public school science classrooms.

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ID conspiracy proof... written by the proponents of ID themselves!!!

The Formerly-Secret "Wedge Document" written by the Intelligent Designers themselves. Proof that ID is creationism in disguise.
The Wedge Document.pdf
Also find this document at

This document was key evidence in the Dover, PA trial featured in "Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial."

Discussion Forum

Why Being Human Makes Evolution Hard to Understand

Started by Neal. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Oct 19, 2016. 5 Replies

Being human makes for foolishness.Cameron M. SmithVolume 37.6, November/December 2013Our difficulty accepting evolution isn’t just because some religions oppose it or that it is complicated—it isn’t.…Continue

Tags: to, understand, atheist, universe, hard

Homo erectus may have doodled on shellfish

Started by Davy. Last reply by doone Dec 6, 2014. 1 Reply

Early humans from Java used shells for tools and engraving long before Homo sapiens did, new research suggests.The findings, published today in the journal …Continue

Tags: University, National, Museum, of, Australia.

Evolution Notes and News

Started by doone. Last reply by archaeopteryx Jan 8, 2014. 74 Replies

Date of earliest animal life reset by 30 million years…Continue

Tags: News, and, Notes, Evolution

Promoting Evolution Through Cartoons.....

Started by Neo Jul 8, 2013. 0 Replies

I have been watching Cartoon Network lately. Mainly because adult TV has gotten really boring, but I also still love cartoons. One day I was watching this one show called "The World of Gumball" and…Continue

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Comment by Chris on December 17, 2016 at 11:16am

Believe In Evolution: Canadians More Likely Than Americans To Endor...

Where did human beings come from — did we start as singular cells millions of year ago and evolve into our present form, or did God create us in his image 10,000 years ago? 

In a recent survey by Angus Reid Public Opinion, it seems the answer to this scientific — or religious — question is not quite settled. According to the findings, 61 per cent of Canadians and 69 per cent of Britons think human bei... from simpler life forms, while just 30 per cent of Americans agree.

Fifty-one per cent of Americans, meanwhile, think God created people in the past 10,000 years, a belief commonly known as "creationism" that is shared by only 22 per cent of Canadians and 17 per cent of Britons. The remaining respondents said they were "not sure." ...

...Across all three nations, males were more likely than women to believe in evolution, while females expressed a stronger belief in creationism. The study surveyed 1,002 Americans, 2,010 Britons and 1,510 Canadians. It also found regional differences for each belief.


Comment by Tom Sarbeck on December 17, 2016 at 10:21am
The USA is #18 on the list. Ignorant and with nuclear weapons.

Where would Russia be on the list?
Comment by Stephen on December 17, 2016 at 10:00am


Comment by Stephen on November 12, 2016 at 4:14am

Yea I noticed that Mrs.B. very strange to leave out Canada

Comment by Mrs.B on November 12, 2016 at 2:37am

No Canada?

Comment by Stephen on November 11, 2016 at 7:54pm


Comment by Chris on October 19, 2016 at 5:07pm

Here's a source of information that includes a map of paleo cave locations in Eurasia. There are better map sources than this one.  One of the interesting things about the links above is it contains maps of the inside of individual caves.

It's amazing that the ancients were able to navigate into the depths of some of these caves let alone see what they were painting.

Palaeolithic cave-art. Map of distribution

I've seen some interesting above ground palo art in the America's.

I may still have a guide book showing locations of caves along the West Coast of the U.S. that a friend gave me. That book is from the 1940's (?). I don't recall it deliniating where palo art was. I don't know how much of North Western American caves have been scientifically explored or documented. It's been a while since I was interested in it.

I've spelunked a number of times in the NW and MW U.S.. Never underwater (diving) though. Above the water level it's dangerous even with modern lighting. I always carried multiple flashlights and spare bulbs before LED's were available.  In a cave dark is as dark as it can be without artificial light.

I was told that if one is in a cave, or well deep enough where the daylight is blocked but a line of sight to the sky is available it's possible to look and  see the stars even in the daytime. I haven't experienced that though have been into various gold and silver mines.

Comment by Chris on October 19, 2016 at 4:17pm

A male donkey (Jack) and a female horse (Mare) and reproduce to 'breed' an infertile Mule.

I always heard mules were infertle. The above link with excerpts below includes the following which appears to refute what I've been told:

The mule is valued because, while it has the size and ground-covering ability of its dam, it is stronger than a horse of similar size and inherits the endurance and disposition of the donkey sire, tending to require less food than a horse of similar size. Mules also tend to be more independent than most domesticated equines other than the donkey.

The median weight range for a mule is between about 370 and 460 kg (820 and 1,000 lb). While a few mules can carry live weight up to 160 kg (353 lb), the superiority of the mule becomes apparent in their additional endurance.

In general, a mule can be packed with dead weight of up to 20% of its body weight, or approximately 90 kg (198 lb). Although it depends on the individual animal, it has been reported that mules trained by the Army of Pakistan can carry up to 72 kilograms (159 lb) and walk 26 kilometres (16.2 mi) without resting. The average equine in general can carry up to approximately 30% of its body weight in live weight, such as a rider.

A female mule that has estrus cycles and thus, in theory, could carry a fetus, is called a "molly" or "Molly mule," though the term is sometimes used to refer to female mules in general. Pregnancy is rare, but can occasionally occur naturally as well as through embryo transfer. A male mule is properly called a horse mule, though often called a john mule, which is the correct term for a gelded mule. A young male mule is called a mule colt, and a young female is called a mule filly."

I don't know much about horse or donkey breeding. An aquaitance of mine was a DVM (Doctor of Veterian Medicine) specializing in bovine breeding.

I don't know much about any of that. I lived a sheltered life. The town of Stanfield Oregon, which was just South of the town I lived had a law stating: It is against the law for animals to have sex in the city limits. The law was passed while I lived near by so it isn't a very old law.

The reason for the law is/was to prevent bestial voyeristic driving accidents. It must have been a problem, though Stanfield was rated as the biggest speed trap in the state. They were probably doing anything to raise tax revinue.

While looking up the stupid law in Stanfeld Oregon I happened upon the following which is also strange and unlikly enforced such as the law above was.

While working for the Navy a supervisor of mine was Guamanian. He and I got along well. He transfered to the base on Guam and became the Mayor.  Governor seems a more appropriate designation. I have other friends who live there as well.

Why move to Guam?

There are men in Guam whose full-time job it is to travel the countryside and deflower young virgins, who pay them for the privilege of having sex for the first time. Why? Under the law in Guam, it is forbidden for virgins to marry.

As a retiree it sounds marginally better than working as a clerk at a hardware store.

Hopefully neither the Stanfield, or Guamanian laws are enforced, unless there is still a problem with voyer accidents in Stanfield.

Comment by Stephen on October 19, 2016 at 2:57pm

I wonder what was the reason for painting these animals. To climb into a dark dank cave just to paint a picture. I also wonder if they painted them before the hunt or after.

Comment by Mrs.B on October 19, 2016 at 2:33pm

Good pic.


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