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Evolution Defenders

A group for Secularists, Agnostics, Atheists, etc... who believe we should keep the poison of creationism and Intelligent Design OUT of public school science classrooms.

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Latest Activity: Jan 2

ID conspiracy proof... written by the proponents of ID themselves!!!

The Formerly-Secret "Wedge Document" written by the Intelligent Designers themselves. Proof that ID is creationism in disguise.
The Wedge Document.pdf
Also find this document at

This document was key evidence in the Dover, PA trial featured in "Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial."

Discussion Forum

Why Being Human Makes Evolution Hard to Understand

Started by Neal. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Apr 1, 2017. 6 Replies

Being human makes for foolishness.Cameron M. SmithVolume 37.6, November/December 2013Our difficulty accepting evolution isn’t just because some religions oppose it or that it is complicated—it isn’t.…Continue

Tags: to, understand, atheist, universe, hard

Homo erectus may have doodled on shellfish

Started by Davy. Last reply by Doone Dec 6, 2014. 1 Reply

Early humans from Java used shells for tools and engraving long before Homo sapiens did, new research suggests.The findings, published today in the journal …Continue

Tags: University, National, Museum, of, Australia.

Evolution Notes and News

Started by Doone. Last reply by archaeopteryx Jan 8, 2014. 74 Replies

Date of earliest animal life reset by 30 million years…Continue

Tags: News, and, Notes, Evolution

Promoting Evolution Through Cartoons.....

Started by Neo Jul 8, 2013. 0 Replies

I have been watching Cartoon Network lately. Mainly because adult TV has gotten really boring, but I also still love cartoons. One day I was watching this one show called "The World of Gumball" and…Continue

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Comment by Stephen on July 14, 2011 at 8:46pm

...pure chance? How dare you!

Comment by Adriana on July 14, 2011 at 3:53pm
Impeccable logic :-P
Comment by A Former Member on July 14, 2011 at 3:46pm

Tee hee, look what I found online:


How some can look at the complexities of nature and say there is not an intelligent designer is baffling to me.

Did the bees and flowers get together and decide to both evolve so that they could help each other out not now but in millions of years from that time? What about the time frame? If it takes millions of years for a change then if the change was necessary the species would die out before the change was accomplished. No change was needed for survival because they survived for millions of generations before any change could be noticed. When people say everything we see was created by pure chance I really do question their intelligence and/or their ability to think logically.

When we find an arrow head we can see that something created it. The chances of an arrow head being created by some rocks falling down a cliff and hitting each other just right are just astronomical so we assume that it was created by man an intelligent designer. At the same time we look at the universe, the human body and the incredibly ways plants and animals interact and the "intelligent" say it just happened. Which of these two would be more likely to believe that they happened by chance? The rock falling off a cliff and on the way down it just so happens that the several times it hits another rock everything is aligned just right and an arrow head shaped rock lands at the bottom of a cliff. Or is there more of a chance that the human body is created by pure chance? If we look at this logically and someone says it is impossible for a rock to be shaped like an arrow head by pure natural forces and chance but yet all of creation must have been created by chance we have to look at them and conclude they are wrong.

Comment by Adriana on July 12, 2011 at 3:40pm
Genie Scott kicks ass! She's great!
Comment by A Former Member on July 12, 2011 at 3:36pm
Comment by Adriana on June 22, 2011 at 10:14am

Link to an EXCELLENT long comic strip explaining evolution. It is very, very good, you should show it to all your fundy friends if you have any; but also to all people interested in understanding a bit more of the process of evolution. Here is a taste:


Comment by Michel on June 21, 2011 at 10:33am
Comment by Adriana on May 17, 2011 at 8:49am

Tuesday, 17 May 2011

Islamic creationism on tour

Notorious Turkish creationist (and aspiring
Bond villain) Adnan Oktar
Regular readers will know that we like to keep tabs on the activities of Harun Yahya, aka Adnan Oktar, the notorious Turkish author of the Atlas of Creation and apparent leader of what may be the world's only Islamic creationist sex cult.

So, with that in mind, I thought I'd pass on something I just read on Reuters, reporting on a trip to France by a group of Oktar's associates, who are peddling their leader's ideas in a 10-date pseudoscientific tour. In addition to holding conferences in Muslim centres in Paris and six other French cities, the group have visited a privately-run Islamic school. Reuters' Tom Heneghan explains:
At a Muslim junior high school in this north Paris suburb, about 100 pupils – boys seated on the right, girls on the left – listened as two Turks from Harun Yahya's headquarters in Istanbul denounced evolution as a theory Muslims should shun.

"We didn't descend from the apes," lecturer Ali Sadun told the giggling youngsters. Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, he said, was "the scientific basis to defend atheism."
As is pointed out in the Reuters piece, France has had its run-ins with Oktar in the past. In 2007, the French Education Minsitry reacted to the distribution of the Atlas of Creation to French schools by instructing headteachers to remove the copies from circulation, a move which Oktar cohort Sadun likened to Nazi book-burning in this weekend's lecture.

While French secularism – laïcité – means the Harun Yahya network must confine their activities to private Muslim institutions, that's faint consolation for the educations of the 100 children present at the Paris lecture. "As a Muslim school, we're lucky to have people who give us tools for this debate," one teacher told them. "This is very important for you and for your pride."
Comment by Adriana on May 9, 2011 at 3:27pm

Tell Louisiana to teach real science in public schools, not creationism and climate change denial


Sign petition here

Comment by Adriana on April 18, 2011 at 12:38pm

Synthese Editors Cave in to Pressure from the Intelligent Design Lobby

t's more than a bit depressing to report that Synthese, a journal that has published classic papers by Carnap and Quine, among many others, and has been a major scholarly forum for philosophy informed by the sciences, should now have caved in to the major enemies of science education in the United States, the Creationist/Intelligent Design lobby.  The story is a sordid one, and leads me to think that philosophers working in philosophy of science, epistemology, philosophical logic and other areas where Synthese has traditionally published should look elsewhere (there are certainly many other suitable fora:  Erkenntnis, Philosophy of Science, Journal of Philosophical Logic, British Journal for the Philosophy of Science, and so on, all of which have the virtue of not pandering to the Intelligent Design crowd).  Perhaps the Synthese editors will rectify the wrong, and acknowledge that they caved in to political pressure and behaved unethically.  But if not, I hope readers of this blog will stop submitting to Synthese and stop refereeing for them:  editorial misconduct of this magnitude must have costs.  (If you will participate in the boycott, please e-mail philosopher John Wilkins at the University of Sydney: john-at-wilkins-dot-id-dot-au.   Let him know if you are willing to have your name made public in connection with the boycott.)


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