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Goodbye, state funding for California libraries

Started by Neal. Last reply by Chris Oct 10, 2016. 3 Replies

By Holly McDedeBerkeley Public Library, and the rest of California public libraries, no longer receive state funding.…Continue

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Comment by Chris on May 27, 2017 at 1:32am

The below linkk contains the text to the proposal.

Single-Payer Plan’s Price Tag in California: $400 Billion Per Year

It would cost the state of California an estimated $400 billion per year to cover all of its 39 million residents, according to a staff analysis by the state’s Senate Appropriation Committee.  That’s more than twice the state’s total annual budget of $180 billion.

But the main legislative advocate for single-payer, Senator Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens), explained the state could get access to half of that amount, $200 billion, by shifting over what it already spends on Medicare, Medi-Cal and other state-run health services. That assumes the federal government would agree to let California re-route federal funds in that way.

“The fiscal estimates are subject to enormous uncertainty,” said Nick Louizos, vice president of legislative affairs for the California Association of Health Plans. “If a combination of assumptions don’t come through, this could be even more expensive than we even think.”

To raise the other $200 billion, the state could implement a 15 percent payroll tax, according to the analysis, which was released Monday during a Senate Appropriations Committee in Sacramento.  It’s unclear how that tax might be split between the employer and the employee.

“Given this picture of increasing costs, health care inefficiency, and the uncertainty created by Republicans in Congress, it is critical that California chart our own path,” said Lara at the committee hearing.

“It will eliminate the need for insurance companies and their administrative costs and profits,” he added. “Doctors and hospitals will no longer need to negotiate rates and deals with insurance companies to seek reimbursement.”

At the hearing, Kyle Thayer, a paramedic who works in San Diego, urged the legislators to move forward with the plan.

“I see every single day the people that don’t have health coverage and the things that happen. Often they choose between one medicine and another, and end up in the back of my ambulance for something as simple as high-blood pressure medication,” said Thayer, a resident of Carlsbad.

His concerns were personal as well as professional, he said.

“My fiancee’s mother was trying to manage her blood pressure, and for a time wasn’t taking her medication, and she ended up with a stroke in the emergency room,” said Thayer. “It cost them all kinds of money.”

Opponents of the plan also spoke, including Karen Sarkissian from the California Chamber of Commerce, who called the 15 percent payroll tax a “job killer,” and a line of representatives from private health insurance companies. These companies would see their business model collapse in California in the face of a single-payer plan, which would be state-administered and not-for-profit.

“We don’t need to go backwards and start from scratch. This bill could have catastrophic implications for the health care system in our state,” said Teresa Stark, the chief lobbyist for Kaiser Permanente in California, which covers 8.5 million Californians.

“We share the goal of health care for all,” she explained, but added that a single-payer system would “dismantle Kaiser Permanente as we know it.”

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on October 12, 2016 at 9:50pm

For atheists and our ilk, the SF Bay Area is a wonderful place to live.

For decades, until a few years ago, the initialism FUCK stood for the First Unitarian Church of Kensington.

Comment by Alex Tyler on August 26, 2011 at 2:43am

And then there 6, the 6th being from SoCal. ;)

Comment by Paul Lambert on July 9, 2011 at 5:36pm
Southwest has some amazing summer deals! :D
Comment by Chris on July 9, 2011 at 11:35am

Thanks for the welcome Paul,

I went to a Humanism, Skepticism, and Free Thought Conference in Portland OR in the mid '90's with five or six others from NE OR, SE WA, and Southern Idaho. We went one of the days. I attended four seminars. Michael Shermer said some interesting things about fire walking and ring finger length. Someone (the president?) from Washington American Atheists talked about producing shows on local area cable. There was quite a bit of talk about separation of church and state and legal issues regarding crosses in Utah for fallen policemen and elsewhere for fallen soldiers.

This was soon after Madalyn Murry O'Hair, and her family disappeared. 

That conference had several lectures simultaneously so I wasn't able to see everything I wanted. 


The originator of this group is from Michigan.


If I lived in San Diego I'd go to the:


The Heritage of Western Humanism, Skepticcism, and Freethought  Tow...


Comment by Paul Lambert on July 6, 2011 at 10:46am
Welcome, Chris.
Comment by Chris on July 6, 2011 at 2:01am
I grew up in CA then moved to NE Oregon at the heart of the regional Mormon and Christian Identity movement area. It was sort of a mini bible belt. I hated it up there, but after moving back to the N. bay area am in a double culture shock. The produce here is horrible.
Comment by Paul Lambert on July 3, 2011 at 1:38pm

Upcoming Event in San Diego, CA: Humanism, Skepticism and Free Thought Conference in San Diego.


The Reasonable World Conference will be held September 16-18, 2011 at The Town and Country Resort in San Diego, California.


Registration is only $35 (additional $15 if you plan to attend the breakfast on Saturday and $30 to attend the banquet Saturday evening).  Room rates are $109 if need to book a room.  


An International Conference in Honor of the 500th Anniversary of the birth of Michael Servetus

Comment by Paul Lambert on July 3, 2011 at 1:25pm
...oh, and one of our members is in MI. lol  We're a lonely bunch.
Comment by Paul Lambert on July 3, 2011 at 1:24pm
Yeah!  Now we have as many Atheists as the Texas group (didn't see that coming -- CA can't even compete with TX for the number of Atheists?!).

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