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The purpose of this group is to discuss morality from all points of view: biological, evolutionary, philosophical. Specific moral questions are encouraged: if you have a moral question for us atheists, feel free to post it here.

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Do atheists have morals?

We atheists are pretty tired of hearing that without religion, there would be no morality. It is offensive to us atheists, since this implies we cannot possibly be moral, or if we are in fact, moral, it is because we were raised in a culture in which morality was initially acquired, and still perpetuated, by religion.
 
While it is indeed possible that some people may need religion in order to be moral, this is a scary thought: their morality has not been reasoned or felt in their gut, it was "ordered" from above.
 
Human beings have had moral laws and codes for thousands and thousands of years before religion was ever invented, at least in an organized form.  Human beings around the globe, from many religious backgrounds, have pretty much the same basic set of rules, starting with the Golden Rule. Why? Because our moral sense comes from the evolution of our brains and the need to live as a social species, avoiding conflict and increasing cooperation.  Our moral sense is based on our emotions: it feels good to help others, and it feels bad to harm others.
 
The scientific study of human nature has naturally lead to the scientific study of human morality. A good start if you're new to this fascinating and important subject is The New Science of Morality, from Edge.org.
 
Useful links or articles:
 
The Moral Instinct- great long article in the NYT by Steven Pinker
 
The communication of emotions and the possibility of empathy in animals, by Stephanie Preston and Frans de Waal (book chapter)
Preston_deWaal2002chapter.pdf
 
The Normative Insignificance of Neuroscience- Scholarly article by Harvard philosopher Selim Berker (hat tip to Julia Galef) who argues that we can never derive normative implications from neural facts about how we reach moral decisions. Opposite point of view to Peter Singer and Joshua Greene. Not sure I agree completely but it's good to challenge ourselves with opposing views in any field.
berker_norminsignifneuro_Final.pdf
 
Moral psychology: The depths of disgust
Is there wisdom to be found in repugnance? Or is disgust 'the nastiest of all emotions', offering nothing but support to prejudice? Dan Jones looks at the repellent side of human nature.
Howandwheredoesmoraljudgmentwork.pdf


Recent evidence suggests that moral judgment is more a matter of emotion and affective intuition than deliberate reasoning.  Psychology and cognitive neuroscience studies point to the importance of affect, although reasoning can play a restricted but significant role in moral judgment. A preliminary account of the functional neuroanatomy of moral judgment is presented, according to which many brain areas make important contributions to moral judgment although none is devoted specifically to it.
 
We will be adding recurrent threads that people keep adding new material to, for reference or because the subject is a tidbit that does not warrant its own separate discussion:
 
The Moral Treasure Chest
 
Moral Dilemmas- this is a thread for moral dilemmas (a part of applied ethics), feel free to post your favorite moral dilemma, real of made up, and what you would do and why (coming up soon).
 
Online tests: These are academic tests designed to probe our moral sense, moral cognition, and what drives our moral decisions and judgments. They are fun, they will tell you a lot about yourself, and you'll be helping researchers add to their current data.
 
YourMorals.org (Jonathan Haidt's group and collaborators).
 
The Moral Sense Test (Joshua Greene-Harvard University)

Discussion Forum

What Isn’t for Sale?

Started by Dallas (on hiatus). Last reply by Onyango Makagutu Apr 30. 3 Replies

What Isn’t for Sale?Market thinking so permeates our lives that we barely notice it anymore. A leading philosopher sums up the hidden costs of a price-tag society.THERE ARE SOME THINGS money can’t buy—but these days, not many. Almost everything is…Continue

Tags: ethics, free-market capitalism, morals, economy, capitalism

The 'Truth' About Why We Lie, Cheat And Steal

Started by Dallas (on hiatus) Apr 21. 0 Replies

Chances are, you're a liar. Maybe not a big liar — but a liar nonetheless. That's the finding of Dan Ariely, a professor of psychology and behavioral economics at Duke University. He's run experiments with some 30,000 people and found that very few…Continue

Tags: ethics, morality, psychology, Ariely, honesty

The empathy machine

Started by Dallas (on hiatus) Apr 20. 0 Replies

The empathy machine Sherlock was right – new research shows that seeing through another's eyes takes a detached mind not just a warm heartWhat’s the first thing you think of when you hear the name Sherlock Holmes? It might be a deerstalker, a pipe…Continue

Tags: autism, morality, feeling, Sherlock Holmes, creativity

The Moral Treasure Chest

Started by Adriana. Last reply by Dallas (on hiatus) Apr 9. 87 Replies

This discussion is for all the great links, pdfs, videos, or general…Continue

Tags: reports, ethics, studies, videos, philosophy

Simon Blackburn and Moral Quasi-Realism

Started by Adriana. Last reply by Adriana Apr 7. 5 Replies

I've been thinking hard about how I would describe my moral position, from a philosophical point of view. Since I do not agree with moral relativism or with moral absolutism (perhaps better called "moral realism"), I think I found a position that…Continue

Tags: philosophy, humanism, moral, quasi-realism, Simon Blackburn

Babies help unlock the origins of morality - From 60 Minutes

Started by doone. Last reply by Adriana Jan 25. 10 Replies

Babies help unlock the origins of morality Watch the Segment »Can infants tell right from wrong? And if so, how would you know? Come to Yale's baby lab. Lesley Stahl reports.Web Extras…Continue

Tags: -, From, 60, Minutes, morality

Want the shortest path to the good life? Try cynicism

Started by doone. Last reply by doone Nov 18, 2012. 22 Replies

Want the shortest path to the good life? Try cynicism…Continue

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Comment by doone on May 8, 2012 at 5:01pm



Maurice Sendak On Life & Death

If you want to cry then you should watch this video. posted about 2 hours ago



Comment by Adriana on May 6, 2012 at 8:27am

I agree, Chris, and I think that the general public would have gained from a civilian trial. Holder caved in to pressure from the Obama administration. Obama also should be ashamed of himself. But when it comes to foreign policy, American are always the big bad wolf, we always do what we want, we use two standards, it is shameful.

Comment by Chris on May 6, 2012 at 4:47am

The leaked International Committee of the Red Cross reort on fourteen "high va... looks about as accurate as we'll get since the CIA destroyed their evidence. A clue about its accuracy is seen by the term "Suffocation by water" instead of simulated drowning. Am I the only one who hates that incorrect media term? It isn't simulated drowning, it's drowning, or suffocation by water. All of the medical personnel involved with the torture of prisoners should not be be able to get a medical  license in every state and territory of the country.

Comment by Chris on May 6, 2012 at 4:45am

Attorney General Eric holder reversed his decision about having a civilian trial because of political pressure so the defendants will be arraigned at Guantanamo and tried under a military tribunal instead. That about says it all. We already know the outcome of the Kangaroo court. The mock trial is simply for entertainment purposes. Holder should be ashamed of himself. 

Sept. 11 Suspects Defiant During Guantanamo Trial

FORT MEADE, Md. — All five defendants charged in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks refused to participate in their military arraignment at Guantanamo Bay on Saturday.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, Walid Bin Attash, Ramzi Binal Shibh, Ali Aziz Ali and Mustafa Adam al Hawsawi did not respond to the military judge’s repeated questions and had lawyers assigned to them.

Several of the suspects removed their headphones so they were unable to hear translations. Lawyers indicated one of the reasons they refused was because headphones were used in the course of their torture by the U.S. government.

The defendants were wearing white outfits. Shibh, at one point, alternatively stood up and kneeled, appearing to pray. The court waited for him to finish in silence.

Mohammad’s lawyer indicated that KSM was “deeply concerned about the fairness of the proceeding.”

More Here



Comment by doone on May 5, 2012 at 12:31am

STEVEN COLBERT INTERVIEWS JONATHAN HAIDT

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Comment by doone on May 3, 2012 at 7:57pm

Why Lie Without Reason?

Shep Smith balked at Romney calling Gingrich a "friend." Waldman gives the Republican nominee some free advice:

[P]oliticians, particularly those like Romney who struggle to convince voters that they're normal, everyday folks, could do themselves a favor and stop saying things that are so patently false, even small things. Why would it be so hard to say, "Newt ran a spirited campaign, I'm sure he'll be a strong voice for our party, and I wish him all the best"? That would be no less kind, and no one would notice the difference. But by trying to toss in something to humanize their relationship ("Ann and I are proud to call Newt and Callista friends"), he makes himself seem not human at all.

Comment by doone on April 29, 2012 at 10:53am

Facing Death

Argcemetery 

New research illustrates the perks:

A new paper published in Personality and Social Psychology Review looks over the accumulated evidence and concludes that thinking about death can make your life better. Previous terror management research has focused on the dark side of our psychological protections: Psychologists say that reminders of death can make us more hostile toward people we see as outside our own group. But researchers led by Kenneth E. Vail III at the University of Missouri, Columbia, say the perks of morbid thinking are too great to ignore. ... Tapping into the benefits of our fear of death, the authors say, could make people "more inclusive, cooperative, and peaceful." 

(Photo by Flickr user Stuck in Customs.) 

Comment by doone on April 25, 2012 at 7:19pm

Apr. 25, 2012

Comment by Dallas (on hiatus) on April 24, 2012 at 9:56am

Chris, I've read about that study before. Interesting stuff. Though I do need to point out that that video is clearly a dramatization of the study, which this clip does not mention. Without that clarification, it does look like the actions are a bit forced.

 

Glad to learn those new terms: informational conformity and normative conformity.

 

I always get such a laugh out of people who claim that they are in control of their lives and decisions. That they values they've chosen to accept were based on their own decisions. That their success is due to their own hard work and nothing else. That they are in complete control of their emotions, and that they direct the path of their life. (No thanks to Ayn Rand.)  

 

 

Comment by Chris on April 23, 2012 at 3:37am

That's a good article on the Tyranny of the Many. The influence of the many can have horrible social effects and reminded me of this study

 
 
 

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