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Is the Christian God Moral? Or is the Christian God Evil? Both? Neither?

I've often stated that, if it existed, and if it went to the doctor, the Christian God would be diagnosed with Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome. (http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html)

The basic questions, as posed by Matt McCormick at http://atheismblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/unreliability-of-introspect... are:
If working tirelessly to aid refugees, feed the starving, house the homeless, prevent disease, spread literacy, cure cancer, and end war are morally good, then why doesn’t God do any of them?  If ignoring human suffering, tolerating child abuse, being indifferent to injustice, and allowing the propagation of ignorance and hatred are morally bad things, then why does a good God do them?

So what do you think? Does God pass the morality test? Is he good or is he evil? Is he both or neither?

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All of the above are reasons to suggest that there is no God or at least that there is not a caring God who is concerned about his or her creation.  I always thought that any God who would give his or her created beings a change would at least postpone diseases until the age of reason.  Early childhood deaths don't teach the infant dying at all and really shows a lack of ability on the part of hypothetical guardian angels.
I agree: a strong suggestions that there is no God or there is a Deism-type that set things in motion and then got bored and went somewhere else, as it were. I wonder how this correlates with the Jewish concept of the "Absent God" who allowed the holocaust?
I don't know about the Christian god, but I'm sure that if the Old Testament god did actually exist, the ICC would have been established a couple millenia sooner.
...but then there's the New Testament God who's had 2000 years to make humanity slightly and perhaps perceptibly better than previously - yet slavery abounds to an unprecedented extent. Some say there's more slavery in the world now than during the height of the Roman Empire. (http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa061202a.htm and http://www.modernslaverysources.blogspot.com/ - "...there are more people enslaved now than at any previous time in history.")
The New Testament - you mean this collection of texts that were cherry-picked among many other Christian writings, centuries after Judas delivered the kiss of death?
Yes - that collection. It's hard for me to believe that it is the literal word of God - those pesky issues of authorship, provenance, contradictions and general incoherence. I wonder sometimes why its existence isn't listed as a miracle somewhere. Or perhaps it is in some dusty old book in the bowels of the Vatican...
I need a clarification: which one of the Christian gods: the Father, the Son Jesus or The Holy Ghost? :-)
LOL! All three by virtue of their co-identities. Or each one individually because they are not individual but "triune". LOL! Wasn't this settled at some Vatican Council centuries ago?

The reason why I asked is because I have hear Christians say that Jesus is the good guy while the Daddy was a mean f***. I'm not kidding you. People like to find justifications for anything. Even Noam Chomsky said the Catholic Church was "good" in that their doctrine tried to help the poor...Sigh. 

 

Anyway....the morality of Christianity is nothing more than the typical human tribal morality, favoring the "in-group", which is why Catholics and Protestants killed each other quite happily in Northern Ireland, for example, for so long, to measure a recent example. European history is full with similar stories of "morality."

 

Here is a lovely example:

"Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaîtra les siens."
("Kill them all; for the Lord will recognize the ones that are His.") [Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209, when asked by the Crusaders what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars.

Claiming Jesus is "the good guy" and demonizing God the Father is a new one to me! That's heresy in more than one quarter, certainly! I wonder how many hundreds or thousands were executed in some gruesome manner by the church and its minions for making similar claims.

Ugh - the Abbot of Citeaux must have had some ulterior motive, don't you think? I cannot imagine a spiritual leader would make such a decision for pious or godly reasons. Or am I just that naive? The Abbot must have had some political or monetary interest in killing everyone in question.

I don't know how the church hierarchy can reconcile these conflicting versions of God. Is it that they embrace both views and say "it's a mystery"? Or do they just keep their mouths shut and issue empty platitudes - as they have with the sex with kids scandals?

At any rate, despite the answer, the Christian God isn't someone worthy of my  worship. I'll save that for other things.

Ugh - the Abbot of Citeaux must have had some ulterior motive, don't you think?

 

French scholars believe Amaury's statement to be apocryphical, and that the slaughter wasn't planned at all. According to evidence from contemporary sources, it began when the common soldiers started pillaging the town without their leaders' consent. The only one who cite the famous "kill them all" is generally considered an unreliable narrator.

That makes far more sense than "kill them all". Of course it doesn't make the suffering and deaths any less evil or acceptable...

 

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