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Comment by Davy on February 26, 2012 at 1:55pm

Nadine.

Elohim is the hebrew word for god or gods.

As for Rael he is not even worth considering what he says. 

Because with every year that passes we are collecting data from older and older galaxies so pushing back to near the beginning of the expansion of the Universe. 

No! Inteligent space faring race would call themselves gods if they were

to contact an individual to-day or 33 years ago.

read this wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

Comment by Davy on February 26, 2012 at 1:44pm

This is some of what was mentioned in the article.

Neil Turok works Within a school of string theory known as m-theory, Turok said, "the seventh extra dimension of space is the gap between two parallel objects called branes. It's like the gap between two parallel mirrors. We thought, What happens if these two mirrors collide? Maybe that was the Big Bang."

He goes on to say this.

However, I feel that the main role for these scenarios of the early universe is to stimulate our thinking. I don't necessarily believe any of them. The most important thing is that the only intellectually honest way to study such questions of cosmology is to make the most precise model you can. I think of the whole thing as a giant intellectual exercise, a stimulating exercise, to make us better appreciate the universe.

Wired: To many people, science is valuable because of the metaphors it gives us -- a poetry of the natural world. Does your work resonate that way with you?

Turok: We need poetry as well as science, but it's completely irrelevant to the science. That doesn't motivate me either. I just feel incredibly lucky and honored to think about these problems and try to make models that may or may not be relevant. It's a fantastic privilege to ponder these questions -- even if we don't succeed, even if all we do is appreciate how hard the problem is, it brings us together. The world is an incredible miracle, and we have to do whatever we can to appreciate it.

Comment by Michel on February 26, 2012 at 12:28pm

It sounds like Vorhillon only read the beginning of Turok's hypothesis and ran away with it for wild speculations. So typical.

There's nothing in the cyclic model that allows anybody to claim that the "brane-worlds" are infinite.

Nor is there any evidence that Vorhillon ever talked to ETs. This theoretical physics hypothesis is certainly not confirmation that he did.

How can anybody put her faith in such an obviously lying man?

Comment by Adriana on February 26, 2012 at 12:15pm

Nadine, that press release is simply INCORRECT. Turok does NOT exclude the Big Bang, he says the Big Bang was simply one stage in an infinite series of cycles of contraction and expansion (link). And in any case, his mathematical assumptions are based on string theory which so far has not been proven, like other suppositions of physics. Intriguing, of course, and it makes sense, but we still need more data.

Comment by Nadine Gary on February 26, 2012 at 11:50am

Dear Davy and all who are following this conversation on finite vs infinite universe,

Here is a press release published by the Atheist Raelian Movement a few years ago:

Rael: ‘Mathematical physicist, Turok is right – the universe has no beginning!

Cambridge University mathematical physicist Neil Turok has put forth what the mainstream media and academic press describe as a “new theory” about the universe that excludes the “Big Bang” event endorsed by most physicists. 

According to Turok, neither time nor the universe has a beginning or end in what he terms ‘an infinitely repeated cycle of universal expansion and contraction.’ You can read a summary of his theory in an article published this week on wired.com. References to his work are also included at the end of this article.

But Turok’s theory actually isn’t new!

As you can read in his book Intelligent Design, Rael, gave much the same explanation 33 years ago after receiving messages from the Elohim, advanced extraterrestrial scientists who created all life on Earth, including human beings, and who were mistaken for gods.

“The universe is infinite in space and eternal in time,” Rael reported in 1973. 
“Man is born one day, lives a certain number of years and dies, and would like everything in the universe to be limited in time as he is,” Rael wrote in 1974. “Our present-day scientists abide by the same rule and say the universe must measure so many kilometers and must be so many millions of years old. Whether in space or in time, we can measure only the part of the universe we can perceive.”



Since Rael wrote those words, Raelians have rejoiced in seeing perception of the universe increase, and the idea of infinity in space slowly penetrate the physicists’ circle.
Raelians today salute Turok’s work, which adds the concept of infinity of time, essential for physicists to reach a higher level of understanding about matter.

But according to Rael, Turok’s theory is missing a crucial element to be on the mark.

“The most important scientific knowledge yet to be discovered is that time is inversely proportional to mass, or rather to the level of the form of life," Rael said upon learning of Turok's most recent work. "While a millennium has gone by for us, the gigantic being of whom our sun is just an atom has only had time to take one step. The scientist who makes that discovery will become as famous as Newton and Einstein.”
To explain the concept of infinite, our Creators said that our planet is but a particle of an atom of the gigantic being of which we are just a part. They also explain that there is intelligent life in the particles of the atoms of which we are composed. The universe being infinite, there can be no center, it is omnipresent and we are part of it as it is part of us. They also said that they couldn’t find out if the great being of whose particles we are the host is human or of any other forms. The only thing they were able to prove is that it is something alive… We are of course eager to see what Physicists will discover soon along this line.

Posted on Sun 24 Feb 2008

http://raelianews.org/news.php?extend.264

Comment by Davy on February 26, 2012 at 6:31am

Nadine.

The Universe we live in is expanding in to what we not Know what but it has a boundary which is shown as the Background Microwave Radiation. Anything that has boundaries is finite. That simple. 

For the universe to be infinite there has to be no boundaries.

Comment by Nadine Gary on February 24, 2012 at 5:47pm

Dear Michel,

Do you think that us humans are the only "intelligent" beings that have ever existed and are currently existing in the universe?

I like your question "what created the Extra Terrestrial people who created us" and leads us to speak about infinity.  Humans have been created by another more advanced human civ, who was created by yet another one and this to infinity. The infinite wheel of time.  No beginning or end.

Comment by Michel on February 24, 2012 at 5:24pm

these artifacts in museums and those "huge ones" in plain sight that can't be explained 

Don't mean they won't be. Why jump to extra-terrestrial conclusions? Any hard evidence that these are from another planet? I don't think so. 

For example, abiogenesis can't currently be explained. Do you need to call gods or ETs to understand it? That would actually prevent you from doing the necessary scientific work to explain it for real.

So those ETs are the ones who created us? Begs the question, what created them? Explains nothing.

Science-fiction is not science, it's fiction.

Comment by Nadine Gary on February 24, 2012 at 4:50pm

Hi Dave,

Thank you for your comments and mentioning these artifacts in museums and those "huge ones" in plain sight that can't be explained unless people not from this earth with a more advanced technology helped us along a few millenia ago.

May I ask where you read that the universe is finite and how you reconcile with it?

Comment by Davy on February 24, 2012 at 3:54pm

From what I have read, the Universe is not infinite but finite. As for time I keep my options open on that till they understand exactly what time is. 

but at the moment due to Einstein we live in a space-time continuum.

Were we visited in the past by an advanced spacefaring race  I for one am not ruling that possibility, period. 

There are many op-arts ( Out of Place Artefacts ) sitting in  museums around the world that cannot at the moment be properly explained by academia. 

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