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Yet another piece I wrote a LONG time ago, but considering the current attacks on a woman's right to control her own body, I think the relevance of the following still maintains.  Let me know what you think.

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Tentatively stipulated:

  • Life is precious, none may be taken capriciously.
  • There are three possible outcomes of a pregnancy:
    1. Birth
    2. Abortion, due to human intervention
    3. Abortion, due to god's intervention (also stipulating an omniscient, omnipotent god; there are no accidents!)

Fact: In 1951, between my birth and the birth of my first sister, my mother had a miscarriage. The cause of the miscarriage, at the time, was unknown. My parents are by no means fatalists, but a comment about "god's will" would not have been unexpected. Had a doctor 20 years later looked at my parents' medical workups, he would have looked at this incident and shook his head. Why? My father was blood-type A-positive; my mother is O-negative. What had happened was a case of Rh mismatch, which has caused uncounted miscarriages throughout history. Sometime after this event, some researcher discovered an anti-agent to this syndrome, now known as “RhoGAM,” and since that time, a lot of mothers haven't had to go through the agony of a failed pregnancy.

So what about all those kids who didn't make it through the nine-month sub-lease because no one knew about RhoGAM? Sinners before their birth? Punishment to the parents for some other arcane sin? If so, what about all those who benefited from RhoGAM? Did god decide all of a sudden to reprieve them or was Man able to trump God's Ace (that one doesn't sound likely for an omnipotent god!)? And how many other pregnancies have failed throughout history, long before antiseptic abortion was available, because god decided they wouldn't go to term? The count would make the total number of abortions in the history of man, antiseptic and otherwise, look like a comparison between the Pacific and a glass of water. What kind of god capriciously disposes of life in this manner? No god I could worship!

The fact is, all of those failed pregnancies had reasons: failure to implant, Rh mismatch, hormonal imbalances, a million other reasons, some of which man is learning to control to the point of potentially eliminating failed pregnancies altogether. I have little doubt that we could potentially live to see the day when prenatal medicine develops to the point of being able to frustrate any agent which would prevent a pregnancy from running a full 40 weeks to successful delivery. Are those children spared god's wrath, or are they damned because of man's intervention? The plain fact of the matter is that there are those who bridle against god's taking of an unborn child for no discernible reason than "his will," then turn around and scream bloody murder when man does the same thing. Which is the greater sin? I have no answer for that one; I just do as I grok.

All I can see right now is people complaining about killing god's pre-born creations when he himself has wasted a vastly greater number with no more explanation than "His Will Be Done." Is each failed pregnancy a reflection of god's will or random chance? For myself, I cannot subscribe to a belief system which would have god so deeply involved at the pre-born level and simultaneously hold that man is a creature of free will. The concept is absurd to the point of being ludicrous. Does all of the above constitute an excuse or justification for abortion? Maybe, maybe not, but it DOES put the issue in a different perspective.

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You've probably heard the phrase, Chris: Teach a child ONE religion; you indoctrinate them.  Teach a child ALL religions and you inoculate them!

I hadn't heard it the way you posted.

Inoculate them is something I heard for quite a while.

I'd like to see children taught phylosopyh - which should be different and more indepth than 'religion.'

A friend of mine talking Religiosity,said something to the effect that if you teach "Idroctinate'  them when young they will become slaves to the idea.

I think it's a good idea to teach all religions - all of which are myths.

Loren I haven't heard that phrase before, but it's very apt.

This is an important addition to the abortion debate.

Anyone who mentions god, especially the Hebrew god, in debates of this nature have not read their bibles

Indeed.  The multiple biblical instances of babes ripped from wombs should be enough to demonstrate Yahweh's lack of regard for women and the "pre-born."

Oh, but we're reading it out of context, aren't we? [sigh] No, not so much.

They always claim we are reading out of context. 

And I want to know what kind of context such action IS acceptable in!

You will wait for a long time if you haven't already

Its a great get out clause  to say we've read the text out of context, its used by both Muslims and Christians. What a cop out.  

ONLY if we let them get away with it ... which I WON'T.

Neither am I

Its funny Loren in my local market square, of a Saturday we have the evangelicals and Muslim both proselytizing but you pull them up on something they both use the same get out clause. Context. And like you I wont let them get away with it. But neither of them listen.

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