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Master and Slave

There are personal relationships that most of us partake in. In those relationships, we work out our desire to be the boss, to be in control, with our partners who need to do the same. A basic human instinct, "rivalry," we all share. I think it is natural for us to want to be in control of whatever situation arises. Happily, there are other instincts that can outweigh the rivalry instinct, but it still is hardwired into us. Rivalry can take some very nasty forms, as well as fairly noble forms.

In my personal realm of friends, associates, and partners, relationships might be narrowed down to three basic concepts. Either one partner or the other will be the boss, or the partners will be equal, or none will take charge.

My first relationship, neither one of us were the boss. The relationship had no goals, had no basic premises to follow. It lasted less than a year. We were horrible together. The only thing we knew how to do was to party, jobs and security had no meaning. When none grab the reins direction is random and unfathomable.

My second marriage was closer, we were both intelligent and professionals, but my partner at that time needed to be the boss. I've never been good at taking orders, and I still am not. When one of the partners becomes the boss, it would seem that necessity derives from a desire to change the other. That one lasted three years.

My current marriage is pretty much a continuing battle, we both want to be the boss and we don't back down very often. We are lovers and rivals. This seems to work the best for us, because neither of us is the master, and neither is the slave. We've been together seventeen years, so the battle works for us. Everyone is different, and I've seen master and slave relationships work, but that is when one of the partners is either compliant or has no choice because their partner has the resources. Still, not a great relationship, more like master and dog.

The examples I give are very basic, there are many other instincts that come into play. The only point I'm trying to make is that human relationships are varied, they can be great, they can be horrible, and all are human.

A theist's relationship with God is not normal, and they are always the same, master and slave. There is no other option. The only way to unconditionally become a slave is again either through a lack of thought or a lack of resources. In this relationship, God has it all. He has heaven and no one else can compete. Not every theist is an idiot, but all theists are enamored by the resources that God has to share. Eternal bliss, you live forever, you have no needs. 

A believer gives up his independence, his thought, and his morality when he takes Jesus into his heart. God is the master, bow down and do what he says regardless of the consequences. I think this one point of a religion that needs to be recognized always. Believers have to give up what is here and now, they cannot accept what changes as man progresses, they must keep the ancient prejudices to become a saint. This is not meant to be purposely demeaning, it is just a fact; all saints are saints of ignorance. 

Reality just sucks, you need to ignore it. I understand the world is confusing and menacing if you're uneducated. Education is tough, it takes work, it takes thought, it takes desire. God has little use for the educated, they are harder to control. God just wants to be the boss, he wants to be the only boss, he will screw you if you resist the thought. God has a temper, he's a jealous bitch, and there will be retribution if you screw up.

Theists have purposely abandoned control of their life to the detriment of the world, and that is always the fight; will fantasy or reality be the controlling factor of this life. When we look at governing bodies, do they promote this world or the next? If they promote the next then freedom cannot be had. 

When you walk the streets and are not from a western country that has turned their backs to fantasy, know that the majority you see are slaves. Heartbreaking.

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I took a hard look at the issue of the master-slave relationship between god and man some time back ... and I stand by what I said back then to this day.

The whole of the business of man's subservience to the christian deity can be summed up in four words: "Thy will be done," ... PERIOD.

You're right Loren but when they say Thy will be done do they mean it, or do mean their will be done. They must internalise it as following gods will.

Hooboy!  Does THAT one open a can of worms!

Loren thanks for the heads up on your post on Atheist Nexus. I couldn't agree with it more. Cheers mate.

Maga Christian news

President Donald Trump rang in Independence Day by promoting a new song based on his trademarked phrase, “Make America Great Again.”

The composition, which goes by the same name, premiered on Saturday at the Celebrate Freedom rally at D.C.’s Kennedy Center, ABC News reported. Trump continued his attacks against the media in remarks at the event, which was organized to honor military veterans.

Available via Christian Copyright Licensing International, “Make America Great Again” was composed by the former first minister of music at First Baptist Church of Dallas, Gary Moore. The church’s orchestra and choir also performed the work Saturday. Trump supporter and current First Baptist Pastor Robert Jeffress spoke at the event.

The White House did not immediately respond to TPM’s questions about the trademarked phrase, including whether Trump had granted permission or entered into some other agreement with CCLI or the church.

Trump applied for a trademark for “Make America Great Again” in 2012, CNN reported, and received the trademark two years ago, in July 2015.

The phrase appears prominently on a variety of Trump merchandise, including on his signature $25 dollar red cap.

The musical work Trump tweeted out Tuesday has already faced criticism, the Christian Post noted, for its blending of devotion to God and country.

“The problem is that it has been adopted by a significant portion of the evangelical church. It’s their mantra, their creed, and their prayer, and they shout it out with nationalistic fervor,” Jonathan Aigner wrote of the piece in Patheos, as quoted by the Christian Post. “Pledging allegiance to God and to America in the same breath, melding together the kingdom of God and self, they pray a blasphemous prayer to a red, white, and blue Jesus.”

Read the lyrics to “Make America Great Again” below:

Make America great again
Make America great again
Lift the torch of freedom all across the land
Step into the future joining hand in hand
And make America great again
Yes make America great again.

Americans from ev’ry corner of this blessed land
Come together with one voice
Help us take a stand
Following the vision to make her proud and grand
And make America great again
Make America great again

Like the mighty eagle that is rising on the wind
Soaring t’ward our destiny
Hearts and voices blend
With a mighty melody oh let the song begin
And make America great again
Make America great again

Each and every stateMake America great againMake America great again

And let's ALL be jingoists, okay?

Out of all the nationalistic crappy songs praising America, the insane dude in our WH has to have his own. He loves campaigning, that's fun, working, not so much.

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