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I have a firm belief evolution, but I've heard different arguments on this subject. I was under the impression that, although clergy freaks like to say the missing link was between ape and man, there was a scientific missing link in the hominid line somewhere where we simply jumped in evolution.

Someone told me that there was no actual missing link though.

I was under the impression that there was a missing link between homo erectus and homo sapiens and then we made another jump sometime before the Biblical Flood that allowed us to communicate effectively and create society. (I'm not particularly using the Bible here, I'm more using the Myth of Atra Hasis and the fact that there is evidence of a great flood occurring in the Mediterranean or an asteroid impact that flooded many coastal areas.)

What's your take on this?

Tags: Evolution, Homo, Humans, Link, Missing, Sapiens, Society

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Ape evolution is more a bush with many common ancestors, how can their be a missing link when you have a ancestral bush going back 84 million years

Our remote ancestor looked like this guy - he is not missing is he?  In fact he is very similar to many people today.

 

I would say the resemblance is uncanny. :)

Best response of the week :-) Michel, I need a sticker :-)

Now that “Ida” is a star, a look at some other famously transitional stars of the fossil record

The London Archaeopteryx Called “arguably the best-known fossil anywhere” by Richard Fortney in his book Life, and mentioned in the forth edition of the Origin of SpeciesArchaeopteryx lithographica provided Darwin with the evidence he needed to convince some of his most skeptical opponents that evolution has, does, and will continue to occur. The original “missing link”, Archaeopteryx has the skeleton of a small dinosaur, but unmistakable feathers, linking it to birds. courtesy of Wikimedia commons

The phrase “missing link” first appeared in print only four years after the publication of The Origin of the Species. By the end of that year, legendary paleontologist Richard Owen published a description of the fossil Archaeopteryx, the first specimen to carry that moniker. And with that, the concept of a “missing link” embedded itself in the popular imagination.

With missing links again thrust hastily and breathlessly into the spotlight again with the History Channel's hyped-through-the-roof unveiling of Ida, "the most important find in 47 million years,"a look at missing links throughout history may help put things in perspective.

Of course, anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of evolution knows that there’s no such scientific concept as a missing link, that the gradual nature of evolution renders all species “intermediates” between past and future forms, and that filling in the gaps between distinct groups is the paleontological equivalent of Zeno’s paradox. That has not, however, stopped almost 150 years of hype around the spectacular fossils whose chimerical appearance seems to embody the very concept of evolution.

So, in the spirit of the description of Darwinius masillaehave a look at some of the exquisite fossils that have served as prima facie evidence for the process of evolution. See it here.

I see what you're saying.

I looked back at the current scientific consensus. I thought they used to say that homo erectus was our ancestor and seeing the difference between the two of us and how we ram together on the archeological timeline, this would produce a missing link. What they also said was that Homo Heidelburgensis was actually quite similar to Homo erectus and I believe in spite of one of the above charts that they had actually existed in a similar timeframe being as fossils and not complete skeletons were found of this new ancestor all the way up to Homo Sapiens.

This merely speculative but, I believe this still leaves open the possibility of a leap in evolution rather than a gap in the record which is only useful to Creationists. In fact a leap in evolution could prove Creationists wrong.

Leaps are required to cross gaps, right?
Gaps which, as the last few centuries of research have shown, are very likely to be filled eventually.

Plus when we talk about evolutionary leaps we need to qualify the scale at which we are perceiving them. In a couple of millenia down the line, our own era might be though of as a leap when we went from analog knowledge to digital.

I was saying that I found there was no gap in time except that we cannot get a good picture of Homo Heidelbergensis just before Homo Sapiens circa 195,000 BC. They have confirmed fossils of the species however up until then and I think even afterward.

This idea might be radical even to those here, but I was saying that such a leap, which we haven't proven to exist, but if we did it would be bad news for Creationists because although it would indicate a higher influence, this is in the science realm and instead of the assumption that Jehovah or YHWH intervened we would instead get to the root of all evil religion.

We know that Christianity's stories are stolen from many older religions. So the best thing we have to go on, Sumerian myth, which is comprised of multiple, quite human deities. In other words someone very advanced may have intervened on Earth to create us in their image. This is all speculation of course and it's completely off the wall.

Oddly enough, this doesn't seem as crazy when you find out that such impressions are being left on primitives today. Cargo Cults

Again. Merely speculation. Just spurring thought. :)

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