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We are a worldwide social network of freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and secular humanists.

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&ei=wRyUWquFHcm4tQXV74XQB...

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

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If one read the pages linked above, one will know that Cunha is pentecostal and used religion as a political front, which is the fraud. U.S. pentecostalism links to the Clinton mafia, so the mention of Bill Clinton in this thread does not go far enough. To fine-tune the geography of religion's pedophilia, one may focus on examples of Schossau in Michigan. We know of one Clinton mafia link fifty miles south of Schossau's operations that link pentecostalism to the Clinton crime family and the CIA. (www. for the Schossau case.)

Why would the US government want to stop fraudulent religions.  The US government has all the makings of a fraudulent religion.  They have an economy rooted in myth.  Capitalism is based on pure dogma, and our democracy is a superstition.

Dennis

I am not as pessimistic as you but even if you were completely correct, do you not think that your most vulnerable and gullible deserve to have the fraudsters who pray on them brought to justice?

Regards

DL

Our justice system asks you to be fair, and unbiased.  Yet the justice system is extremely unfair, and biased.  Our own government is guilty of the same fraudulent actions as religion, and many politicians are in bed with religion.  How would justice work for the gullible when the deck is stacked against them?   I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, so help me god.  See the problem.      

Keep you hand off the bible.

Sign the legal paperwork in admission to the court  that you ar under oath subject to perjery charges.

All the rest is pomp and fervor.

The raise you right hand, lower your left hand -

put your right leg in -pull your right leg out do the dipsy doodle and turn your self about is nonsense.

Whoops, I meant put your right leg in -pull your right leg out do the Hokey Pokey and turn your self about.

Dennis

These days, one can affirm instead of swearing on the bible.

https://www.thoughtco.com/affirming-vs-swearing-oaths-in-court-250184

"Yet the justice system is extremely unfair, and biased."

Such as when?

Regards

DL

 

Thanks for affirming that DL.

I wonder how many have had adverse court actiions taken against them for not doing the hokey pokey.

I have.

I couldn't agree with you more Dennis. Like religion, if you attack capitalism they come down on you like a blasphemer    

Unfortunately, many - if not most don't know that there are many variaties of capitalism.

Communism and Socialism for the ignorant self proclaimed capitalists don't know that roads, schools, police, the fire department among other things that are used in the 'commons.' are paid for and a benifit to everyone.

Har, Har, Har, I have a in-law who is retired military. A self proclaimed Capitalist.  The Military is the largest socialistic government agency  in the U.S.  

He doesn't get understand that - or many things about economic therory.

He prays though and thinks his prayers are effective.

But the police who protect the commons are also protecting capitalist investments, which makes them agents of the state. Zizek has a few passages comparing capitalism to communism in The Fragiler Absolute: Why is the Christian Legacy Worth Fighting For?, and for the nonlaw within law, there is the janus-faced presupposition in the U.S. Constitution for "freedom of religion" rather than "freedom from religion." The nonlaw within law is also found in Bosteel's Badiou and Politics, and more delirium can be seen in Chief Justice Marshall's fascination with the concept of the deodand, whereby the ship is made to blame because it tossed a passenger overboard, in LeFebvre's Deleuze and Law. Note that the concept of the deodand was revived even in modern times.

We are inclined to follow the French model when exposing the pathologies of religion:

'The Age of European Christianity

On the ruins of the late Roman and Carolingian Empires, a new figure of subjectivity was erected in Western Europe, which can be characterized by its double articulation to:

1.)  basics relatively autonomous territorial entities of an ethnic, national, religious character, which at the outset were to constitute the texture of Feudal segmentarity but which were due to remain, in different forms, down to the present day;

2.) the deterritorialized entity of subjective power borne by the Catholic Church and structured as a collective Apparatus on a Europe-wide scale.

Unlike the previous formulae for imperial power, the central figure of power here no longer has a direct, totalitarian-totalizing hold on the basic territories of the socius and subjectivity. Much more precociously than Islam, Christianity will have had to give up  the constitution of an organic unity. But far from weakening the processes of the integration of subjectivity, the disappearance of a Caesar in flesh and bone and the promotion, which one might dare to call a substitution, of a deterritorialized Christ will on the contrary have reinforced them. And it seems to me that a sort of fault, a metastable equilibrium, favourable to the proliferation of other equally partial processes of autonomy may have resulted from the conjunction between the partial autonomy of the political and economic spheres proper to Feudal segmentarity and the hyper-fusional character of Christian subjectivity (manifest in the Crusades or the adoption of aristocratic codes such as the 'Paix de Dieu' described by Georges Duby).

They are found inh:

The schismatic vitality of sensibility and religious reflection characteristic of this period;

the explosion of aesthetic creativity that has been uninterrupted since;

the first big 'taking off again' of technologies and commercial exchange, characterized by historians as the 'industrial revolution of the eleventh century' and which was correlated to the appearance of new figures of urban organization.'

(Guattari F, Schizoanalytic Cartographies [translated from the French by Andrew Goffey])

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