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We are a worldwide social network of freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and secular humanists.

Be it atheists or theists, many may feel human life may be purposeless or untenable; i.e. a never ending search or a "why" question that's perhaps not worth asking.

I think there's a viable alternative to especially the "purposeless" based outlook, with the introduction of a recent concept called "teleonomy", which is an atheistic/scientific way to describe nature in purpose driven language. (In fact, as seen on Wikipedia/teleonomy, Richard Dawkins; recently introduced the treatments “archeo” and “neo” purpose. See his video/speech "the purpose of purpose".)

Anyway, for example, using the laws of thermodynamics, we can try to objectively discover non-trivial goals that humans may undertake, as far as nature goes. (i.e. grand purposes for the human species, that reasonably transcend the desires of individual humans, while seeking to be objective, much like how Science tends to follow the evidence, aiming to describe what the cosmos actually is, rather than what people may want the cosmos to be.)

Note: One may reasonably grasp an understanding of the summaries below, without clicking on the associated wikipedia etc sources. One may however get an even more wholesome understanding, by toggling the links conveniently provided throughout the summaries.




Hypothesis A - An atheist PhD psychologist named Michael Price, hypothesizes that future humans are probably supposed to replicate universes [2017]: "Michael's variant of Cosmological Natural Selection I":


The original version of CNS I stems from a concept called Cosmological Natural Selection by physicist Lee Smolin.

  1. Cosmological Natural Selection, posits that our universe likely stemmed from a process that like evolution or biological natural selection, spun many universes; where the best universe instances emerge from universes that possess excellent replication abilities/properties, through the utilization of blackholes. Intelligent life is said to be an accidental by-product of this replication process
  2. Cosmological Natural Selection I (CNS I), additionally posits that intelligent life is a viable factor for replicating universes.
  3. Michael Price’s variant of CNS I, additionally posits that intelligent life is a likely core influence on the successful generation of replicating universes, where Michael surmises that human intelligence is the most “improbably complex” outcome of the cosmos thus far. Michael ranks modern humans to be a step in the direction towards future human intelligence, that will be able to create non-arbitrary universes. Thereafter, Michael expresses that the scientific purpose of humans is reasonably, ultimately to replicate universes like ours.


Hypothesis B - An atheist computer scientist named Jordan Bennett, hypothesizes that a grand human purpose is probably to create Artificial General Intelligence [2015]: "Why the purpose of the human species is probably to create artificial general intelligence?"

  1. In understanding Jordan's hypothesis, one may imagine entropy as a currency in an economy.
  2. Agents/organisms that get work done (access to activities) in nature, must pay up some entropy, you don't do work or have access to activities, without paying up some entropy.
  3. Highly Intelligent things (like humans) reasonably pay more entropy, compared to less intelligent things or non intelligent things, because humans do more work i.e. many cognitive tasks (thinking about science, doing scientific stuff) compared to lesser intelligences or non intelligent things.
  4. In a similar way, chimps may pay more entropy than say less intelligent things, because they do more work, or have access to more complicated activities. (More access to activities result from more access to stuff called "macrostates" in the OP's second hypothesis regarding Artificial General Intelligence.)
  5. Likewise, Artificial General Intelligence[AGI] or Artificial Super Intelligence[ASI] when built, will have access to more cognitive activities, and they'll get more work done than humans. So, they'll reasonably pay more entropy to the thermodynamic system that is nature.
  6. This means there is reasonably a pattern, nature is finding more and more ways to extract more and more entropy from activities done (i.e. entropy maximization), and nature reasonably does this by building smarter and smarter things. Humans thus likely won't be the last thing nature finds to derive entropy from work; there will likely be AGI or ASI or whatever smarter thing that follows humans. (Laws of physics permits smarter things than humans overall)

Crucially, Science can reasonably describe how organic life began (namely, via evolutionary principle etc) and also, reasonably where human life perhaps seeks to go (again, via evolutionary principle etc, as described in the hypotheses above.)




Footnotes:

  1. An atheist PhD psychologist hypothesizes that future humans are probably supposed to replicate universes [2017]: "Cosmological Natural Selection, Cosmological Evolution and the Futu...".
  2. An atheist computer scientist hypothesizes that a grand human purpose is probably to create Artificial General Intelligence [2015]: "Why the purpose of the human species is probably to create artifici...?"
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oh yes- that imagined and now misconceived construct: the singularity. There are actually two: one is the original mathematical concept-which mathematicians used as a conceptual tool. Not intended to be real in and of itself. The second is the centre of a black hole. Again very theoretical and meant in that way. A working tool to mentally conceptualize this ultimate centre of everything - in that all the known laws of cosmology have 'collapsed' into this - space- termed 'singularity'. There is a third- and totally wrong--bandied about by some pseudo scientific prima donnas in the media of the internet--claiming that this thing is the moment AI is born and history is changed for ever. According to them. However that event-promised again and again and delayed as well- is actually an 'event horizon' not a single point at all.

The Red Shift- I think it was Eddington almost a century ago is even weirder. Light traveling so fast away from us it stretches and is therefore red-shifted. It gets better. The further out the faster the escape velocity---this expanding universe at its very edge is totally non localized. Laws of physics apply just not those from around here. And to prove Einstein wrong there is another expansion that is faster than light. Right from the moment go: space.

It's a great subject to dive in to---

the red shift expansion is its very opposite--its hyper-inflationary-expansion. what actually is the driver no one knows- all we have is deduced evidence from the way matter and light behaves the further it approaches the expansion of the material universe. Space expanded right from the beginning of the BigOne faster than light that followed. This is often not explicitly stated. Because of Einstein's reasoning. But there have been instances of exotic- mere pico seconds thereof where particles moved faster than lightspeed. Also at the real event horizon of a black hole particles do not move according to 'linear' time. Particle physics when in extreme conditions is amazingly revealing. More fun than religion that's for sure. Because religion - well Semitic Monotheism is all about the End and basta. Science self examines continuously. And is not afraid to bare all. Rippa.

One more addition, 

"This cannot be an easy life. We shall have a rugged time of it to keep our minds open and to keep them deep, to keep our sense of beauty and our ability to make it, and our occasional ability to see it in places remote and strange and unfamiliar; we shall have a rugged time of it, all of us in keeping these gardens in our villages, in keeping open the manifold, intricate, casual paths, to keep these flourishing in a great, open, windy world; but this, as I see it, is the condition of man; and in this condition we can help, because we can love, one another."  j. Robert Oppenheimer, Head of the Manhattan Project.

Joey's words:

'One more addition, 

"This cannot be an easy life. We shall have a rugged time of it to keep our minds open and to keep them deep, to keep our sense of beauty and our ability to make it, and our occasional ability to see it in places remote and strange and unfamiliar; we shall have a rugged time of it, all of us in keeping these gardens in our villages, in keeping open the manifold, intricate, casual paths, to keep these flourishing in a great, open, windy world; but this, as I see it, is the condition of man; and in this condition we can help, because we can love, one another."  j. Robert Oppenheimer, Head of the Manhattan Project.'

My response:

Is there a point to your message above?

Richard Feynman has still not been disproved scientifically...All of Quantum Electrodynamics has been proved and scientifically been demonstrated over and over without exception. So what are you writing about, you want to go against the truth, you want to argue with actuality....you will Loose.  Cause Nature will make you loose.  Nature always wins!!!! Joey

Joey's words:

"Richard Feynman has still not been disproved scientifically...All of Quantum Electrodynamics has been proved and scientifically been demonstrated over and over without exception. So what are you writing about, you want to go against the truth, you want to argue with actuality....you will Loose.  Cause Nature will make you loose.  Nature always wins!!!! Joey"

My response:
What is your point?

My point is that you are stupid, ignorant, crazy for asking "What's Your point."

Joey

ditto

yes there is a point, listen to the message...don't build bombs, build relationships, is that hard for you?  Joey

Yes, there is a point to my post...From the posts I have read, 90 percent of you plus are missing the point.  You don't give a shit about yourselves nor others and you don't give a shit about the nature that supports you.  Have a good life...Bye!!!   Joey

If you can't figure that message out, I have wasted my time!  Joey

The King James Version of the New Testament...
"The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England. There were(and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last "Apostle" supposedly lived. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.
The King James translators used none of these, anyway. instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their King an Pariament would approve.
The 21st Century Christians believe the "Word of God" is a book edited in the 17th Century from 16th Century translations of 8.000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century. That's not Faith...That is Insanity." Joey"

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