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Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sexual morality.

Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sexual morality.

I wrote this for the religious forum but it seems to be a question that I should have put to Republicans as they are exhibiting the same vile morality as pedophile priests and the religious who ignore morality to feed their tribal needs.

Do you see any difference in the immoral and unethical position of both groups?

How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.

If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.

I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.

As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.

The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.

The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.

If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.

In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.

I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?

Regards
DL

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Sorry DL if I don't believe God  I  certainly don't believe in satan 

Stephen

Neither do I. At least not in the way you understand those words.

That is irrelevant to the issues in the O.P. though.

I hope you did not miss the message.

Regards

DL

DL I do jump the gun sometimes. But I'm just glad you're putting questions out there. Cheers mate.

Stephen Thanks. Regards DL

DL, in 1957 when I was quitting Catholicism I read of the Roman church saying the Gnostics were heretics. I  understood that they had gone to Egypt and guessed that they might have something worth checking out.

In a couple of years I did look them up but by then I was back to studying math and science and quitting all religion. I chose agnosticism, and finally atheism.

I concluded that a religion that keeps a guy out of prison is serving a useful purpose.

PS. Not every Republican. In 1972-1976 I was living in Phoenix, where only Republicans won elections. I wanted to run in a primary election for the state legislature, and wanting to win, I registered to vote Republican. It was the wrong party for me and I quit it before I became vile.

Tom Sarbeck

A wise choice.

"a religion that keeps a guy out of prison"

The U.S. touts itself as a Christian nation.

You might have noted that it has the highest per capita of people in jail.

If I may suggest; return to studying Gnostic Christianity. It is a religion without woo and concentrates on making us the best people we can possibly be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4

Some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian and they are correct.

Regards

DL

may i suggest that stiving to be a good person can be done without the belief in a god or afterlife 

You may suggest that, Stephen, but what works differs for kids and adults.

Kids with loving parents who are good people will probably become good people.

Adults? Depending on their histories, they might travel several routes and become good people.

Tom Sarbeck

I agree but seeing as how the U.S. leads the world in jail stats, you are saying that many adult Americans are not good people.

Regards

DL

Stephen

Given the immorality of the mainstream Gods, religions are a hindrance to moral thinking.

Regards

DL

Given the immorality of the mainstream All Gods, religions are a hindrance to moral thinking.

Stephen

I see you did not view that link I gave Tom.

That or you are a poor judge of morality.

Regards

DL

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