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Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sexual morality.

Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sexual morality.

I wrote this for the religious forum but it seems to be a question that I should have put to Republicans as they are exhibiting the same vile morality as pedophile priests and the religious who ignore morality to feed their tribal needs.

Do you see any difference in the immoral and unethical position of both groups?

How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.

If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.

I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.

As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.

The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.

The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.

If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.

In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.

I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?

Regards
DL

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I did see the link and my moral judgment is ok thank you. I learnt about the Cathars and the Gnostics in A-level history class. I'm not calling into question the morals of the Gnostics only the non-existence of all gods.   

Oh yes I saw that documentary many years ago on UK tv 

I remember that documentary many years ago on UK tv.

I still think however good the gnostics are they are still deluded if they believe in a god 

 Stephen

If it was a supernatural God, I agree.

Gnostic call God "I am", and we do mean ourselves as the final arbiters of morality, just as you should for yourself. We just us I am in the old whey of I shall be.

That is why I am a Parfait WIP.

With so many atheists and other non-believers around I might have to stop that tradition.

That is what happens when people forget the old meanings of words.

Regards

DL

Hi DL I came across this video about Gnosticism.

 What Did Gnostic Christians Believe?

Thanks for this Stephen.

I like that you picked someone who recognizes that many lies were told by the winners of the God wars. Lying Christians.

Take matter. As I understand Gnostic Christian, our real beliefs are more as shown with this.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that, we see that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world given entropy.

Sure we could imagine a better world, but that is an impossible idea given our history and present conditions.

Regards

DL

It's disconcerning to me how many worship be it religion, politics, or economic theory without independent thought..

The media is all over the place with a royal engagement.

Who fucking cares?

I'd like to see the statitics of Americans who care about a royal engagment.

Is it the media who has the intellegence of a 6th grader. 

Chris.

I agree with your last and also agree that it is quite sad to see so many sheeple and so few thinkers.

Regards

DL

I have never found any religious teachings to be clearly moral thoughts. For every passage that one might agree with, there's a dozen that are horrors. 

The question you pose is not something an atheist can answer. I have no idea how Evangelicals can embrace political figures that are possible molesters and pedophiles, yet they do. Religious and political people of importance seem to be able to twist immoral actions into their private morality. An older man dating an underage female is okay if you're wanting a large family. 

Since I firmly think that morality is a product of evolution, the question about believers possibly not following biblical morality doesn't mean much to me. How can you follow a book that at the same time promotes love and hate at the same time without being confused?

Hi Neil.

Well put.

As a Gnostic Christian have a certain amount of respect for scriptures even as I disrespect them.

They do have a bit of wisdom though that would help eliminate confusion.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Freon the rhetoric out of the Republicans, I would say that their morals are about the same as ours. Their morals though are allowing them to ignore their morals and go with their tribal needs.

That immoral action is what has to be recognized and changed.

An atheist is more likely to have a solution to this than a theist who does not recognize why he is doing what he is doing and supporting evil men.

Regards

DL

As a rhetorhical point to your last statement

"Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?

Expand the tribal sense of knowledge through education of other religious beliefs might be a beginning to understanding myth, phylosophy and deeper understanding of the world around.

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